The whereabouts of Murdo(ch) McINTOSH, Forres or Elgin late 19thC

[Keith Sherwood]

So, parents of Peter MACINTOSH(sic) were Allan MACINTOSH(sic), a game keeper, and Jane GRANT.  Interestingly  Peter's status on 8th August 1868 was given as "widower", and he's 36 years old to spinster Margaret ROSS's 23 years.  So he must have been previously married.
Can I ask where Edinkillie is - given as where both bride and groom  came from/were living at the time.  Must be somewhere close by and small.  Not on the road map....
Keith

[Forfarian]

Can I ask where Edinkillie is - given as where both bride and groom  came from/were living at the time.  Must be somewhere close by and small.  Not on the road map....

Edinkillie is a parish south-west of Forres. The road between Forres and Grantown runs through it.

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2327113
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3078191
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3224675

[Keith Sherwood]

That's wonderful, Forfarian, those photos really colour the scene in for me, bringing this whole area to life.  My friend Mr McIntosh will very soon be visiting to chase up these newly discovered ancestral trails of his.  He's wondering whether his gt-gt-gt-grandpa Allan the gamekeeper might perhaps once have patrolled the grounds of grand Edinkillie House...
Keith

[Forfarian]

Well.

Allan Macintosh and Jean Grant had seven recorded children, all baptised in the parish of Urquhart and Glenmoriston, on the west side of Loch Ness. See attached.

According to the 1851 census https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl, Allan McIntosh, 54, agricultural labourer, born Urquhart, Inverness-shire, wife Jane, 52, born Boleskine, two daughters and a grandson, were living in the parish of Urquhart and Glenmoriston (no address listed in the census transcription), so it doesn't look as if he ever patrolled at Edinkillie.

In 1841 the family, including Peter, aged 8, were at 2 Camban in the parish of Kilmonivaig. It looks as if by 1851 Peter was an apprentice shoemaker living in Nairn.

It looks as if Allan died  in 1861, and Jean/Jane Grant or Macintosh in 1875, both in Glenmoriston. Their death certificates should tell you their parents' names and take you back another generation.

Boleskine is a parish on the east side of Loch Ness. Kilmonivaig is south of Boleskine, a large parish including Spean Bridge and Roy Bridge. Cambān was a pretty remote spot on tne River Quoich - see https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.09268&lon=-5.28064&layers=5&b=1&marker=57.21582,-5.22267 (you may need to zoom in). It was submerged when the Loch Quoich Dam was built in 1955.

Coincidentally it's near Bunchaoile, which came up quite recently - see https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861772.0. As the Campbell family in that thread were at Bunchaoile at exactly the same time as the Macintosh family were at Cambān, they would have been next-door neighbours, although about a mile or so apart, and would certainly have known each other.

[Keith Sherwood]

Wow, Forfarian, that's absolutely wonderful!  Thanks so much for going the extra miles on my/my friend's behalf.  He's on a train to Brighton now to visit his son, and I shall relay all this extra information to those two generations of the McIntosh family.  They'll both be fascinated, as will the rest of their "clan"...
Keith

[Kloumann]

Allan MacIntosh death 1861, age 70, MMN Grant.
Jane McIntosh death 1875, age 82, no MMN listed.

Both Glenmoriston

[Keith Sherwood]

Thanks again for those, Kloumann...
And, having never before pursued lines of ancestry in this part of the world (unfortunately no Scottish family history  in my immediate lot, though my English father had a commission with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders in WW2 - he fought in and was wounded at that attritional battle of Kohima), I'm now rather nervously wondering how this McIntosh family might have been affected post 1746 Culloden and the dreadful Highland Clearances wreaked on the various clans by the English thereafter.  Only about half a century before Allan McIntosh, for one, came into the world...
Keith

[Kloumann]

1861 census, Glenmoriston, Allan McIntosh, 67, Jane, 63, Betsy, 32, Bell, 26, Alexander, 12.
1871 census, Glenmoriston, Jane McIntosh 72, Betsy McIntosh, 40 & William McIntosh, 9.

Worth noting the wide variation in ages

[Forfarian]

the dreadful Highland Clearances wreaked on the various clans by the English thereafter.

The Clearances, dreadful as they were, were not 'wreaked ... by the English'. Nor were they confined to the Highlands.

First of all, the Jacobite Rising of 1745 was not a simple matter of English v Scots. There were Scots on the Hanoverian side, and English on the Jacobite side.

In the middle of the 18th century, many landowners in Scotland, both Scots and English, and even including some clan chiefs, wished to increase the profitability of their land. One way was by turning over large swathes of land to sheep. In order to do this they evicted the tenants from their crofts, in some much publicised cases with great cruelty. Large numbers of people were forced to leave their homes and re-settle elsewhere. Many moved to towns and cities, and others emigrated. Some landlords even provided the ships to take the people to the New World.

Naturally this barbaric business gave rise to great resentment and long memories, and I do not wish to defend it in any way whatsoever. But to suggest that the Clearances were the revenge of the English on the clans after the Jacobite Rising of 1745, as some people imagine to be the case, is a distortion of the truth.