Hereford gypsy's

[Jerry71]

Hi ,I'm looking for the family of Nathaniel johns and Charlotte who changed names to smith but also used davies ,I have been told lock also comes into the mix "Sarah lock , 

[rosie17]

Hi it might help if you could give some dates and what information you have already
I'm assuming this is the marriage for Nathaniel Johns or Smith 1916 Hereford to
Charlotte Smith ?
If this is the couple you are looking for they are in Hereford on the 1911 census
Nathaniel Smith ( gipsy )
They are also on the 1939 register and Nathaniel Johns date of birth is 21 October 1876

You say Lock comes in to the family have you checked this marriage
Caroline Smith
James Lock
1927 Ledbury Herefordshire

Rosie

[rosie17]

Their daughter was born Coleen Elizabeth Smith 1904 Ross mothers name Smith
Gro.gov records.... She marries as Caroline Smith as posted then died as Colleen Elizabeth Locke  1988 Hereford
Age 83 years
Birth date 19 October 1904

Rosie

[Jerry71]

Hi it might help if you could give some dates and what information you have already
I'm assuming this is the marriage for Nathaniel Johns or Smith 1916 Hereford to
Charlotte Smith ?
If this is the couple you are looking for they are in Hereford on the 1911 census
Nathaniel Smith ( gipsy )
They are also on the 1939 register and Nathaniel Johns date of birth is 21 October 1876

You say Lock comes in to the family have you checked this marriage
Caroline Smith
James Lock
1927 Ledbury Herefordshire

Rosie
This sounds like them,natty mum was eve Stevens and married to James Smith and eve Stevens mum was eve Lock so I was told ,James qnd eve had several children gildroy, Nathaniel being two of them ,I don't have any dob for any of these people but I did find some old paper clippings of Nathaniel smith and jerhimia johns being fined for keeping horses on high way ,
Thank you for replying

[rosie17]

Do you have birth for Nathaniel Johns ?
Gro .gov  records Nathaniel Johns
1876 Westbury on Severn
Mothers name Smith
Don't see one for Nathaniel Smith born 1876 with mothers name Stevens
Is it the family of Nathaniel Johns and Charlotte Smith you are following and have you found him on any census records ?

Rosie

[Jerry71]

Do you have birth for Nathaniel Johns ?
Gro .gov  records Nathaniel Johns
1876 Westbury on Severn
Mothers name Smith
Don't see one for Nathaniel Smith born 1876 with mothers name Stevens
Is it the family of Nathaniel Johns and Charlotte Smith you are following and have you found him on any census records ?
I always thought Nathaniel johns and rhoda smith was Nathaniel johns "smith parents but someone said they have his mother as Stevens but I'm not sure as I was always told rhoda was born Martley workhouse and mother of Nathaniel.
Rosie

[rosie17]

I think the best thing you can do is get a copy of the marriage for Nathaniel and Charlotte to see what is says regarding father and witnesses.
Also the birth for Nathaniel Johns 1876 will also give you his parents names
If you are tracing family it is always best to check out the original certificates first

Rosie

[Jerry71]

Do you have birth for Nathaniel Johns ?
Gro .gov  records Nathaniel Johns
1876 Westbury on Severn
Mothers name Smith
Don't see one for Nathaniel Smith born 1876 with mothers name Stevens
Is it the family of Nathaniel Johns and Charlotte Smith you are following and have you found him on any census records ?

Rosie
Hi ,this is what I found on ancestry,
Nathaniel johns ,death 29,3,1956
Rhoda smith 1855 Martley workhouse
Children
Caroline Smith 1904 ,1988
Rose Smith 1911 ,2004
James Smith 1913 ,1975
Susan Smith 1902 -
Nathaniel smith 1908 1991
My interest is in Nathaniel smith 1908 1991 and I'm trying to find his wife and children ,I believe they had 11 kids William, Herbert, amose and the rest was girls so I was told .Nathaniel died in Hereford and berried at Hereford crem 1991 .
I was told Stevens and lock was also in this family but I'm not sure about them so best to stick with Nathaniel 1908 birth and go from there .I'm sorry for mix up but I really don't have much to go on other than what others say 

[rosie17]

If you have access to Ancestry you can find Nathaniel Smith born 1908 on the 1939 register ..And again be careful copying from trees on Ancestry best to check out the records yourself ..

Rosie