Q: So what is the paper trail leading back to this couple?
A: That's the problem, there is no paper trail to establish that we are related.
I'm sorry, but I remain confused.
If you have not done any paper research into you own direct ancestors, how do you know that you are descended from James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown? DNA alone is not sufficient to prove descendancy.
You have come across an Isabel Kirk (who may not in fact be Isabel Kirk if ruthhelen is correct, as she usually is), and want to find out if she is connected to you? Why this particular Isabel Kirk (if she was actually Isabel Kirk) and not one of the 15 whose baptisms between 1740 and 1780 are on record?
James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown/Broun had five recorded children, all baptised in the parish of Durisdeer, Dumfries-shire, between 1759 and 1771. They did not include an Isabel(la).
David Sparks and Isable Kirk had a son Robert baptised in the parish of Cupar, Fife in 1795. Isable Kirk may be (probably is) the Elizabeth Birrell who was the wife of David Sparks and mother of three other children baptised in Cupar on dates that would fit them being siblings of Robert.
Durisdeer and Cupar are over 100 miles apart, which is quite a long way by 19th century standards when land travel was only by muscle power.
Why do you think that the wife of David Sparks (who may not even be a Kirk at all) has anything to do with James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown?
On the contrary, I have done eleven years work on my Tree. Mostly done by a childhood friend.
However I have been unable to do any successful research on Isable Kirk.
The Sparks were the people who just came across this sole one entry of Isable Kirk.
They in turn tried exhaustively, to work both forwards and backwards from her, again unfortunately they have not been able to find anything on her.
So I in turn, out of desperation, I threw this open in a post on Rootschat.
Correct, and yes I'm grasping at straws here, the Sparks lead of an Isable Kirk is all I have presently to go on.
The Sparks and I are related, albeit very remotely, solely through a DNA match presently, so when they found a Kirk link, I had to follow this up.
Correct James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown/Broun had five recorded children, all baptised in the parish of Durisdeer, Dumfries-shire, between 1759 and 1771. They did not include an Isabel(la).
Q: David Sparks and Isable Kirk had a son Robert baptised in the parish of Cupar, Fife in 1795. Isable Kirk may be (probably is) the Elizabeth Birrell who was the wife of David Sparks and mother of three other children baptised in Cupar on dates that would fit them being siblings of Robert.
A: Yes this could be true.
Q: Durisdeer and Cupar are over 100 miles apart, which is quite a long way by 19th century standards when land travel was only by muscle power.
A: Yes I to have wondered at thisf.
Q: Why do you think that the wife of David Sparks (who may not even be a Kirk at all) has anything to do with James Kirk and Elizabeth Brown?
A: What you are saying here, that there is nothing to prove a connection, outside a birth registration entry, her names Isable Kirk maybe wrong, that they are from different parts of the country.
So all in all, at the moment, through everybodies research, nothing stacks up here.
To maybe it is a case to completely going back to the drawing board, and trying to find another Sparks Kirk connection, that could indeed confirm our 23&Me DNA match.
As I cannot get past this brick wall of James Kirk Abt. 1725- traditionally, the only way to surmount it, is in following up on DNA matches.
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