Author Topic: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811  (Read 1538 times)

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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Apparently Thomas Pelham and Mary Maitland had nine children. None of the sons were named Samuel.

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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Apparently Thomas Pelham and Mary Maitland had nine children. None of them named Samuel.

Thanks for checking. How on earth is Samuel connected to these Maitlands?!

We know thanks to the found record from the 1804 record of Sun Fire Office and her will that Mary Maitland, was of 9 Charlotte Row, Walworth.

We then know that the 1811 will of George Hopkins states "...particularly the Sum of Three hundred pounds Sterling being a Legacy left and bequeathed to me by my Grandfather Thomas Hopkins and placed in the hands of his Executor Samuel Maitland Esqr. No. 9 Charlotte Row Walworth Surrey according to his last will and Testament...".

So there is a definite connection. If only the will of Thomas Hopkins could be identified!

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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 22 February 24 01:56 GMT (UK) »
The 23 October 1795 marriage allegation of Samuel Maitland and Isabella Anderson shows he was then of St John Wapping and aged 21 and upwards, so he was born in or before 1774: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2056/images/32515_1831109387_0041-00345?usePUB=true&_phsrc=VSl1911&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=156917

It is known from his 1797 will that he had a brother named Adam Maitland and a William Maitland was a witness:

There is a reference to a Samuel Maitland enlisting in the Royal Navy in 1779, which may be him: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68S7-HMX8

They had a son named Samuel Maitland baptised on 28 Mar 1798 Pell Street Independent, Stepney. Presumably he is the Samuel Maitland child buried at St Alfege Greenwich on 30 Jul 1802.

There is reference to Samuel Maitland with an 1818 date in the East India Company Pensions 1793-1833. Is this reference because his widow had a pension?


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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 22 February 24 09:57 GMT (UK) »
In A Genealogical and Historical Account of The Maitland Family, by George Harrison Rogers-Harrison (privately printed, 1869), the following entry for a Samuel Maitland appears in the course of the pedigree:

"Samuel Maitland of Dumfries a Capt. in East India Coy. Service.  Born 28 May 1756.  Died 30 Nov. 1797 having had issue 2 Sons John and Samuel who both died young.

= Isabella Anderson. Married October 1795.  Died 1830".


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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 22 February 24 11:53 GMT (UK) »
In A Genealogical and Historical Account of The Maitland Family, by George Harrison Rogers-Harrison (privately printed, 1869), the following entry for a Samuel Maitland appears in the course of the pedigree:

"Samuel Maitland of Dumfries a Capt. in East India Coy. Service.  Born 28 May 1756.  Died 30 Nov. 1797 having had issue 2 Sons John and Samuel who both died young.

= Isabella Anderson. Married October 1795.  Died 1830".

That is a great find. Brilliant.

I have just looked at the book and found Samuel Maitland and see that he has a brother Adam Maitland so this all ties in with his 1797 will.

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00harr/page/16/mode/1up

I just need to see how he was related to Thomas Pelham Maitland now.

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Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 22 February 24 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Aside from his 1744 marriage, do you have any other details for your ancestor Thomas Hopkins, snr (e.g. birth/baptism, occupation, death/burial)?

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I don't know what Thomas Hopkins senior's role was at all.

There is an entry in the Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 on 20 December 1796 (stamp duty paid 2 March 1797) for a Thomas Hopkins cordwainer of Curry Rivel and I always assumed this was probably his son Thomas Hopkins junior born in 1751.

Now I am thinking that maybe this was actually the father. I assumed that Thomas Hopkins senior at 76 was probably too old to be taking on an apprentice.

I have actually now relooked at this 1796 apprenticeship stamp duty payment and realised that Thomas Hopkins was the apprentice not the master. Samuel Collard was the master, so I can now strike out this cordwainer occupation.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1851/images/32422_236924-00691?pId=114814

This is actually much more helpful in the story too as I could never understand how Thomas Hopkins the father had so much money to leave his son George Hopkins if he was a cordwainer. He must have been something else entirely. What if he therefore if Thomas Hopkins the father did indeed serve with Samuel Maitland?