Bureau families UK….. any connection?

[clarecuba]

Well, goodness gracious me! You really couldn't write it! It implies it's maybe an illegitimate baby? More research for Louise and I to do. Why would you call 2 of your sons Charles, oh, unless this first one died? Your research is amazing! We would never have got this far without it. Thanks so much. Are you also a descendant, or a person who revels in genealogical research? Clare

[Mabel Bagshawe]

So here is the trustee - at 58 King St, Portsea. John is ex navy

Ina Swatton    65 - image shows Jno aged 45. Messenger in dock yard
Mahala Swatton    36 [maiden name Byles]
Elizeth A Swatton    13
Heneretta Swatton    12
Emma Swatton    9
Flora Swatton    8
Edwin Swatton    4
Mary Ann Barker    47

HO107; 1658; 378; 16;

[clarecuba]

Wow, thanks, Mabel. So kind. Some questions, please. What exactly is a Trustee in this instance? Where is the baby, Charles Burreau, and who is his mother? As you may know, Byles is my family, Valentine John McLaughton Byles being my grt grt grandad.
Mahala Byles is one of his sisters. I can't find a birth reg for the baby, or his baptism, nor a death rec. If he's Chas Bureau's son, why did he name the son in his marriage to Jane Jones, Charles as well? I'm guessing first baby Chas died. Was Chas married before he married Jane? You and ShaunJ are obviously  excellent researchers, as I can't find the info you both have! The info we've recently had is quite mind-blowing, knocking down a longstanding brickwall. But it's also thrown up a plethora of questions, as I suppose is often the case? Many thanks once again. Clare

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I'm assuming being a trustee means Mr Swatton is holding the money Charles is sending to the youngster

The connection might not be easy to work out - I did wonder if the Swattons had on older daughter who could have been little Charles' mother, but that doesn't look to be the case. Another option is that they're fostering him and Charles snr is sending home cash for his care

[clarecuba]

Thanks, Mabel. I wonder why he isn't on the family list, unless he is living elsewhere with his mum?

[clarecuba]

Hi, again, Mabel. My apologies. I obviously wasn't concentrating properly when I sent my reply! Of course, the little boy could very easily have been fostered.

[Loubu]

Hi everyone, many thanks Shaun for this latest piece of information & thanks Mabel.
So early on in my search to learn more about Charles Bureau one of the first listings of someone of that name was in the 1881 census, this was also noted by Amby in a thread that started in 2009.
The location was Bayley Cottages, Monken Hadley, Barnet, Middlesex & Charles Bureau 22 yrs was lodging with William Matthews & his family, he was noted as being a baker/journeyman, so who was he ? It’s clear from the information from Shaun J this wasn’t Charles Bureau husband of Jane as he died in 1853, also his son Charles Abraham Bureau was listed in the 1881 census along with his mother, step father & step sibling in Pembroke, Wales, it was mentioned he was a mariner.
One thing has become clear & that is there were very few men of this name in the UK at this time. The baby Charles that was entrusted to John Swatton & family in 1848 aged 7months would have been approx 32 years old in 1881. I can’t help but wonder if this the Charles at Bayley Cottages is the child left with John Swatton & perhaps a simple mistake has been made in documenting his age, a typo of that era? The only other explanation is that he is someone completely unrelated & just passing through the uk at that time. Does anyone else have any ideas about this person? In the old post Ambly seemed convinced this was Charles Abraham but obviously that is not so.

Going back to baby Charles being left with John Swatton, I can’t help but wonder what happened to the mother? There doesn’t seem to be a birth record, I must try & access the baptism records next.

[ShaunJ]

The location was Bayley Cottages, Monken Hadley, Barnet, Middlesex & Charles Bureau 22 yrs was lodging with William Matthews & his family, he was noted as being a baker/journeyman, so who was he ?

Charles Michael Briveau, born Gravesend 1859, married Julia Edwards in 1885, still at Bayley's Cottages in 1891.

[clarecuba]

So, I'd guess absolutely no relation, and a different name, tho I know Bureau has been spelt different ways.