John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley

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https://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=61352.15

Concerns Hill, Wilson, and Gilmer families. 

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Hill family who emigrated to Abbeville, South Carolina in  the U.S. in 1822

1.David Hill, in Ireland

1.John Hill, in Ireland

2.Sarah Hill, aged 27, of Ballyboley, m. 1871 to David Hay, farmer, son of William Hay, farmer, of Finvoy, Ballymoney.  Witnesses  were Jane and John Hill.

3.Mary Hay, 23, in 1901.

3.Sara Hay, 19, in 1901; teacher

3.Anna Hay, 15, in 1901

3.Edna Hay, 13, in 1901
In 1901 family was living at 5 Mullans, Dirraw, Antrim and in 1911 at 24 Mullans.

For Abbevill family see findagrave # 85085295
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85085295/william-hill

1.William Hill,  1805-1886; became a storekeeper and judge; m. Anna Hamilton Donald, 1807-1880, dau of Maj. John Donald of Donaldsville.  They had six sons and four daus.
According to a letter written in 1872 to his brother, David, William was an uncle to Sarah, in Ireland, who had married her cousin, David Hay.  William also mentioned his Aunt Sallie in Ireland.

Buried in the same cemetery with William, Anna, and Robert Hill was Andrew M. Hamilton, 1808-1888, son of Maj. Andrew Hamilton and Jane McGara.
2.John Donnald Hill, 1826-1847.

2.William Franklin Hill, 1834-1853.

2.Annie Eliza Hill, 1836-1919 m. Charles Cox.

2.Judge Robert Emmet Hill 1839-1872, m. Mary Thomas, 1851-1885, m. Sarah Jane Richey; m. Mary Thomson Hamilton; m. Mattie Ward.

2.Mary Jane Hill, 1841-1919, m. Dr. Harrison Israel Epting

2.Sarah Ellen Hill, 1843-1927, m. 1. Mr. McIlwaine; m. 2. John W. Calvert; m. 3. Calvert Henry

2.John Livingston Hill, 1849-1933, m. Susan Talulah Riley

2.Mary Jane Hill who married twice, with one husband being a doctor.  She had three children by her first husband and two by her second.

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The Hills are alive with the sound of music...

I believe that most of the Hill families I listed are related.  However, returning to the main question
of how or even whether, Samuel Hill, Esq., son of John Hill, Esq. of Upper Langfield, Co. Tyrone and Hillmount Co. Antrim is related is another kettle of fish.

All I have been able to discover so far about this family is that John had a dau Mary who died in 1868 at the age of 15.

Also, that there was a Rev. John Hill, rector of Longfield, who was a brother of Sir George Hill of Derry.  Not much to go on and connect with yet, I'm afraid.  It is definite that more research needs to be done to prove a connection between the many Hills of Antrim.

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3.Mary Hay, 23, in 1901.

3.Sara Hay, 19, in 1901; teacher

3.Anna Hay, 15, in 1901

3.Edna Hay, 13, in 1901
In 1901 family was living at 5 Mullans, Dirraw, Antrim and in 1911 at 24 Mullans.

See reply #7

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Thanks for taking an interest

Just a reminder that "Edna" (1887-1913) was in full "Edmonia Hill Hay", and since she was S A Hill's niece I reckon that she was named in honour of his wife Edmonia "Ted" Taylor.

There is no guarantee that John Hill (Drumquin & Ballyboley) was a near relative of his Ballyboley neighbour John Hill (S A Hill's father) - I'm just hoping for clarity. DNA investigations continue...but the trees are tangled, e.g. Edna's maternal grandmother was Jane Hill and her paternal grandfather John was Jane's brother, if I've got this right.

Any further news of Samuel Hill the Customs official, who "had made many friends while in Belfast"?

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From the book, The Linen Houses of Co. Antrim and North County Down, by Kathleen Rankin

In 1825 the Young family purchased the Hillmount House, the bleach green and mill from John Hill who had become bankrupt.  Now George Hill had also occupied an estate called Hillmount.  Were these estates one and the same or different?

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Just a reminder that "Edna" (1887-1913) was in full "Edmonia Hill Hay"....

Birth 25 May 1887 at Mullans townland.   MMN Hill
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1947810.pdf

Mullans townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/finvoy/dirraw/mullans/

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A positive ID would help, but I suppose the man "John H Hill" on the Ballynure headstone (died 1926, bachelor age 83) must be John Houston Hill and an early son of John Hill of Hillmount, Ballyboley. At census times, he's probably the retired farmer in Holyrood Road (1901; a John Hill sold Hillmount in 1897) and the tea agent in Duncairn Gardens (1911); he dies (with the missionary David Boyd on the death reg) in Limestone Road, which is where Margaret Hill the music teacher lived. 

To recap - and distinguish some of the many places called Hillmount - let's call HM#1 the one near the carn or cairn field by Upper Ballyboley school, and a bit north of Hills Bridge at Lower Ballyboley; convenient access between these two areas was at issue in the violent 1870s squabbles of John Hill and his Ballyboley neighbours. Press reports about John's disagreements with school management mention a teacher daughter - possibly Margaret above, though that is speculation.

Call the one in Drains near Larne HM#2 - this is presumably the one mentioned in the will of George Hill (died 1828). Call the one in Greenisland, also near the shore, where the unfortunate son William Hugh Hill shot himself, HM#3 - see Belfast News-letter 5 August 1906 for the auction ("There is a free Second Class Railway Ticket to Belfast attached").

Call the one near Cullybackey HM#4 - probably the best known, held for many years by the Frazer family (of Frazer & Haughton), and long ago by John Hill who met financial difficulties.

So what's the exact link between John Hill of Drumquin/Ballyboley and George&Mary? There are so many Hillmounts that a John Hill who calls his property Hillmount would get no attention for that alone; but in addition we see the solicitors McNeill and Fitzgibbon, and lease/mortgage dealings between John and George's widow Mary Hill...and this does get my attention.

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Rittrock, thank you for your explanation concerning the various Hillmounts.