Herbert Williams 1890 Forden

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1901 5202 /129/11
10 Raven Street
Ann Roberts 68 yrs b Welshpool
George Williams   17 yrs grandson
Bertie Williams   11 yrs grandson

In 1891 Mary Ann Williams was at 15 Raven St
1881 the Williams family at 10 Raven Street

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Two GRO births

WILLIAMS, HERBERT WALTER mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in FORDEN Volume 11B Page 171

WILLIAMS, BERTIE mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in FORDEN Volume 11B Page 177

David

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Mary Ann was in Raven Street for most of her life:-

1871: Raven Street, Welshpool, Forden
James Williams Head - 32 1839 - Caernarvonshire
Mary Ann Williams Wife - 23 1848 - Montgomeryshire
William Henry Williams Son - 2 1869 - Montgomeryshire
Isabella Ann Williams Daughter - Fe0 1871 - Montgomeryshire

1861: Raven Street, Pool Middle Division, Montgomery
Ann Roberts Head Unmarried 38 1823 House keeper -
William Roberts Brother Unmarried 40 1821 Masons labourer -
John Roberts Brother Unmarried 27 1834 Masons labourer -
Mary Ann Roberts Daughter - 13 1848 - -
John Roberts Son - 10 1851 -

1851: Raven Street, Pool, Montgomery
William Roberts Head Widower 62 1789 Joiner Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire
William Roberts Son Unmarried 29 1822 Laborer Montgomeryshire
Ann Roberts Daughter Unmarried 28 1823 - Montgomeryshire
Thomas Roberts Son Unmarried 26 1825 Nail maker Montgomeryshire
John Roberts Son Unmarried 18 1833 Laborer Montgomeryshire
Mary A Roberts Daughter - 3 1848 - Montgomeryshire
John Roberts Grand son - 1 1850 - Montgomeryshire

David

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There is an active family tree by a descendant of Mary Ann's brother, John, b 1850.

Probably need a subscription to see it: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/160858761/person/112102063900/facts

David

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Ohhh wow David, that is amazing! 
Thank you so much !
Kate x

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I looked for Mary Roberts in 1841 and still in Raven Street. This gave information which led to the childrens' baptisms and marriage of parents which, unusually, gave their parents:-

1841 Raven Street, Welshpool
William Roberts 50 1791 Joiner b Montgomeryshire
Ann Roberts 50 1791 b Montgomeryshire
William Roberts 20 1821 Mason b Montgomeryshire
Ann Roberts 25 1816 b b Montgomeryshire
Thomas Roberts 15 1826 b Montgomeryshire
John Roberts 10 1831 b Montgomeryshire
Margaret Griffiths 20 1821 Soldier's Wife b Montgomeryshire

William Roberts, age 22, son of Owen and Jane Roberts, married Ann Waring, age 21, daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Waring  of this Parish, on 17th July 1810

Elizabeth Roberts, daughter of William and Ann of Welshpool, baptised on 25th Feb 1816

Joseph Roberts, son of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 30th May 1813

Margaret Roberts, daughter of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 25th Feb 1816

William Roberts, son of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 14th June 1818

Ann Phalia/Thalia Roberts, daughter of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, babtised on 11th June 1820

Thomas Roberts, son of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 25th May 1823

John Roberts, son of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 22nd May 1831

George Roberts, son of William, a joiner, and Ann of Pooltown, baptised on 3rd June 1834

Ann Waring
Daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Davies, married 2 Oct 1775 in Welshpool)
Born: 29 Sep 1788
Baptised: 31 Oct 1788 in Welshpool
Trees for brother, Edward, but inactive: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/70538537/family?cfpid=392355375220
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/88059678/family?cfpid=46567216410

William Roberts
son of Owen and Jane (Probably Williams, married 17 Jun 177 at Llanfihangel-Yng-Ngwynfa, Owen of Llanfyllin)
Born: 5 Nov 1788
Baptised: 7 Nov 1788 in Llanfyllin

David

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Thank you once again David 
Some of the birth years don't match the baptisms, is this normal?
Kate x

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http://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tools/tree/181509437/invitees/accept?inviteId=18ad5a37-1915-4013-8cf9-48422f9d3533

This is the link to my tree .

Kate x

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Ages on censuses often vary, including these for Margaret Roberts, then Griffiths. Her father is with her in 1861:-

1851: Raven Street, Pool, Montgomery
Evan Griffiths Head Married 29 1822 Shoemaker Castle Caereinion, Montgomeryshire
Margaret Griffiths Wife Married 32 1819 - Montgomeryshire
Evan Griffiths Son - 9 1842 - Montgomeryshire
George Griffiths Son - 1 1850 - Montgomeryshire
Mary A Griffiths Daughter - 0 1851 - Montgomeryshire

1861: Raven Street, Pool Middle Division, Montgomery
Evan Griffiths Head Married 37 1824 Sergeant of staff melita -
Margaret Griffiths Wife Married 45 1816 - -
Evan Griffiths Son Unmarried 19 1842 Labourer -
George Griffiths Son - 12 1849 - -
Mary Ann Griffiths Daughter - 10 1851 - -
David Griffiths Son - 9 1852 - -
John Thos Griffiths Son - 6 1855 - -
William Roberts Father in law Widower 74 1787 Cabinet maker (buried 15th Sept 1863 in Welshpool)

Quite a few trees for Edward Waring of Welshpool: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rm6/

David