Where is my great grandfather???

[sparrett]

The nearest Phebe /Phoebe SANDERS to Philip PARKES of a suitable age is a 20 year old single woman who, in 1871,  lived in Sheffield, Staffordshire. Not very close at all to Aston.

Phebe SANDERS
Piece 4687
Folio 32
Page number 7

She is unemployed on census night and lives with her father William, a labourer and her 22 year old brother.

Sue
 

[Jamjar]

1871 Aston, Birmingham

Philip PARKES aged 18, born Birmingham. Living 272 Watery Lane Aston . He is the son of Henry and Mary Ann and has siblings.
Piece-   3141
Folio-117
Page number-   26

He is a plane maker as are others of his male family. The area had brass and metal works employing local workers.
A moulder is one who makes moulds for the manufacture of metal tools and other items. A plane is a metal tool used in carpentry.

Sue

I did wonder about it, also: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD82-GH4

Andrea, if you read the history carefully, you will note that negotiations began earlier. Although the British companies didn’t win the tender, Joseph may have been sent out during negotiations. He also may have been involved in the setting up of machinery for the 1912 opening.

[Andrea Pea]

Sparrett…Sue
Seems all the male Parkes in Birmingham were metal workers/engineers.
That Philip/Phillip gives a me a bit more to go on. If correct one it’d make him 21 when Joseph was born.
I’ll look further into him
Ta

I did find Joseph(27) on a 1901 census in Walsall Staffordshire with his mum Phoebe(widowed 59) & her niece Lilly(18).

[Jamjar]

Mar 1850 Aston 16 262 
PARKES Henry
SMITH Mary Ann

PARKES, PHILIP  EDWIN mmn SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 242

Jamjar

[Andrea Pea]

Jamjar.
they got married in 1908, and IF shipping records London to sydney are correct for 1910, my grandfather born 1911 then they travelled to Fremantle 1913, that could’ve happened.
Word is he was asked to go out to australia to join Lithgow arms.
They were in Sydney 4 years, but that could’ve been a bit less. 🤔

[Jamjar]

I did find Joseph(27) on a 1901 census in Walsall Staffordshire with his mum Phoebe(widowed 59) & her niece Lilly(18).

Under what surname?

Added: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQB-3ND

A polisher is very different from an engineer.

Jamjar

[Andrea Pea]

Jamjar.
Parkes.
Yes…and 10 years later @37 he was grinder, engineer on my grandfathers birth cert.

[Jamjar]

I think that Phoebe was the wife of John Parkes:

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD8-47R

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQQL-CPZ

Jamjar

[Neale1961]

I did find Joseph(27) on a 1901 census in Walsall Staffordshire with his mum Phoebe(widowed 59) & her niece Lilly(18).

That Joseph was discounted back in reply #5. He is still working in Walsall as a polisher in 1911 census, and married. His mother's maiden name was GENT.