Hugh Alexander

[danieloks2ndaccount]

Hi. I was wondering if I could have some help with something.

Hugh Alexander died on March 1st 1890 aged 64, but first of all, people on ancestry have his birth date as May 14th 1816, making him 73, but I can also find no records for a Hugh Alexander born between 1816 and 1826 with the same parents that are listed on his death certificate. The census seems to estimate his birth around about the 1816 mark. A little more info on Hugh, he married Jane/Jean McWilliam in 1844, and she died in 1904. They had 9 children, James (1844-1910), Annie (1846-1892), Jane (1849-1924), William (1850-1925), Agnes (1852-1921), John (1855-1930), Hugh (1857-1920), George (1859-1936) and Margaret (1861-1880).

Hugh was the son of Hugh Alexander, Coal Miner, and Jane Campbell.
Some people claim that he is Hugh Montgomery Alexander, son of John Alexander and Jean McDowall, however I heavily doubt this is my Hugh.
I'm looking for information on his parents, and when he was actually born.

[CaroleW]

Firstly - ignore what other people have - you will find lots of posts about the huge number of inaccurate info on trees on Ancestry.  Do your own research

Presumably you have Hugh on censuses 1851-1881 so does his birthyear on those entries correspond with his age at death?

1851 he is 36 b Dailly- Jean is 30 b Kirkoswald Galloway occ is farm labourer
1861 - 45 & 39 occ is ploughman
1871 - 60 but Jane is 35 - you need to check the 1871 image - occ is labourer
1881 - can't find him

No census shows him as a carter

[Rosinish]

I can just about see a possible error I've come across in my own family records  ...

Son is the informant of his fathers' death...

He gives his fathers' name as Hugh Alexander...

The Registrar then asks the son, father's name (although meaning the name of his g/f) & he repeats his own father's name as Hugh then the Registrar asks, what's your fathers' mother's name & maiden name 

Only a suggestion as I've come across several records with wrong info. & have had to try & work out the wording of questions which would create the wrong answers 

Annie

Add...If the naming pattern was used, might his father be James?

[GR2]

From the minutes of the kirk session of Dailly:

Dailly 17th July 1814. After Prayer Sederunt
with the Minr. David Dick, Alexr Davidson, James
McGill, Hamilton Scot &c Elders
        Compeared Jane Campbell an unmarried woman
who confessed she was with child and accused Hugh
Alexander (Irish) as the father of her child she was
rebuked and exhorted and dismissed for the present.

Dailly 13th November 1814.
... Appeared at the same time Jane Campbell who was
rebuked for the sin of fornication with Hugh McAldridge
and was also absolved from the scandal.

[The accounts book records that Jane Campbell paid a fine of 5/- for fornication on 13th November 1814]

Hugh Alexander/McAldridge does not appear before the session and there is no record of him paying a fine. Presumably he had disappeared from the area.

Is this the same person?

Dailly April 14th 1817.

Voluntarily Compeared Jane Campbell,
an unmarried woman, and made confession
that she had been guilty of the sin of unclean-
ness: - accused John McMannas, an unmarried
man, as the Father of her child - She was rebuked
for her sin.

Dailly Septr. 8 1817.

Jane Campbell having been repeatedly
with Mr Hill at the Manse for admonition & given
tokens of repentance was rebuked for the sin of for-
nication with John McMannas who acknowledged himself the father & absolved
from the scandal.

[Mr Hill was the minister.]

[GR2]

1841 census, Dailly Village:

Jane Campbell, 47, Pauper,
Jane McManas, 24,
Elisabeth McManas, 22, Sewer,
Sarah McCormick, 7,
John Stewart, 20 months
- all born Ayrshire

1851 census, Main Street, Dailly:

Jane Campbell, head, unmarried, 60, Pauper, Ag. Lab., b. Dailly,
Elisabeth McManus, daughter, unm., 26, Seamstress, b. Dailly,
Sarah McCormick, daughter, unm., 16, Seamstress, b. Dailly,
John Stewart, grandson, 11, scholar, b. Dailly

1861 census, Main Street, Dailly:

Jane Campbell, head, unm., 70, pauper, b. Dailly,
Joanna Stewart, granddaughter, 1, b. Dailly

1871 census, Main Street, Dailly:

Jane Campbell, head, unm., 80, retired servant, pauper, b. Dailly,
Sarah McCormick, daughter, unm., 34, farm worker, b. Dailly,
Ellen Stewart, granddaughter, 1, b. Dailly

Jane Campbell, mother's maiden name Ferguson, died in Dailly in 1874, aged 84.

Sarah McCormick's father was James McCormick - a case of adultery (although he said he would appeal to the Presbytery).

[danieloks2ndaccount]

Thank you all for such quick responses.
I guess it could be possible that Hugh was illegitimate. It seems to add up, Hugh came from the Dailly area I believe. Where would he be in 1841? -I cannot seem to find the 1871 census you have listed on Ancestry however (for Jane Campbell). Perhaps due to this situation Hugh didn't know his birthday, resulting in the conflicting years?

[wivenhoe]

"Hugh, he married Jane/Jean McWilliam in 1844,"

Where is this marriage...location and date?

[CaroleW]

Childrens births show mmn as McWilliam

1861 shows Jane b Kircowan Wigtown & there is an 1820 birth on SP in Kircowan - parents William & Jane nee Dougan - don’t know whether that matches her death cert

Can’t see any marriage for Alexander/McWilliam

Son James was b 20.10.1844 - parents Hugh Alexander/Jane McWilliam

[Rosinish]

Hugh came from the Dailly area I believe. Where would he be in 1841?.

The baptism of possibly their 1st son William (1st of 2 named William) of Hugh & Jane McWilliam...

ALEXANDER WILLIAM - HUGH ALEXANDER/JANE MCWILLIAM FR72 - 07/10/1843 -
888/20 29 Kirkcowan (Wigtown)

Their next son James was also baptised in Kirkcowan, Wigtown...

ALEXANDER JAMES - HUGH ALEXANDER/JANE MCWILLIAM FR73 - 20/10/1844 -
888/20 30 Kirkcowan

Could Hugh have been in Wigtown in 1841...

ALEXANDER HUGH 27 (b1813/14) - 886/ 4/ 3 Inch, Wigtown

Looking at the index, Hugh is with Jannet Alexander 60

I haven't looked at other available resources.

I couldn't find a marriage for Hugh to Jane McWilliam but the BC for John b 1855 will give date/place of marriage i.e. what info. was given?

It will also state where both parents were born i.e. what info. was given?

Annie

Edit...Probably not your Hugh as the above 1841 entry (FreeCen) gives PoB for Hugh as Wigtown...http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rp2/