James Ryan Dublin/ Tipperary 18xx-? - Dead ends?

[bclc71]

HI. I've been exploring my family history online for about 15 years. Like many i have some dead ends where I just cant find enough information to go any further. Yet using DNA links on Ancestry I can see other people with information on shared ancestors that  I have no idea where they get it from.  I message but get little joy. There is an awful lot of people just accepting other peoples findings but no citations or proof. Mistaken assumptions become viral and it makes it very unreliable!!

I am trying to find information on a James Ryan.

- My grandfather was William (Liam)Ryan (1908-1980) born Dublin.
- His father was Thomas Ryan (1859-1938) who was born 9 Upper Exchange St ( several siblings born same area)
- His father was Jacobus (James) Ryan. I have no details other than at Thomas's wedding in 1892 James in listed as Bootmaker. I cant find anything else other than his marriage 1850 in St Nicholas RC Church to Maria Anna McKenna, and baptism of 6 children.

But my grandfather William had some connection to Tipperary but my mother never knew what and appears to have never known anything about that side of the family.

My main question is, given how poor records are before about 1830, how do people go about researching for that time? I am relying on digital records (given my location overseas) and not sure how to get further information. any magic wands or suggestions appreciated!!

[Wexflyer]

There are no "magic wands".

What you do see all the time are people who either:
- Take any and all "hints" Ancestry throw at them, no matter how bizarre or inappropriate, or
- Themselves collect any baptism or marriage with the right name within roughly the right 30 year period, no matter where located.

These nonsensical choices then get put into Ancestry family trees, and  get "hinted" again in turn to others, feeding and perpetuating the cycle....

[Kiltaglassan]

- My grandfather was William (Liam)Ryan (1908-1980) born Dublin.
- His father was Thomas Ryan (1859-1938) who was born 9 Upper Exchange St ( several siblings born same area)
- His father was Jacobus (James) Ryan. I have no details other than at Thomas's wedding in 1892 James in listed as Bootmaker.

Link to 1911 census ??
House 2.4 in Fitzgibbon St. (Rotunda, Dublin)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Fitzgibbon_St_/31254/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000072190/

[bclc71]

Thanks. I have lots on that generation thanks to census ans digital church records. ,It's James Ryan and wife Mary Anne Mckenna that I have gotten stuck on - no details on their births or parents or place of birth.

[greeneyedgirl]

If I may- it would be helpful to list the known children of James Ryan and Maria Anna McKenna. Irish in most cases used naming patterns which may help. We know you have what you need on James' & Thomas' families but info on yhem may help.

[bclc71]

If I may- it would be helpful to list the known children of James Ryan and Maria Anna McKenna. Irish in most cases used naming patterns which may help. We know you have what you need on James' & Thomas' families but info on yhem may help.

thank you. Yes I will do that - Ive had success in the past making connections from information in a post - its like leaving a thread of breadcrumbs , that may be found years after the original post.

[heywood]

He was deceased by 1886 according to daughter Mary’s marriage record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5961864.pdf


Do you have a death for him?

[heywood]

This is the only death I can see but not sure because of the area.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020645/7244009.pdf

[bclc71]

The information I have on James Ryan and Maria Anne (Mary Anne)McKenna is as follows:

5 August 1850 Marriage of Jacobus Ryan and Maria Anne McKenna at RC church of St Nicholas (Without), Dublin City

1856 Birth of son William Ryan Dublin City
- married Bridget Donnelly (daughter of Thomas Donnelly and Mary Duffy) 12 January 1890, St Mary's Pro Cathedral. Bridget born 1868, Dublin

2 Oct 1857 Birth of daughter Catherine (Katie) Ryan(1857–) • 9 Uppr Exchange Street, Dublin
- sponsors Joanne and Catherina Kenna ( possible siblings of Mary Anne )
- Katie married Patrick Lennon (son of John Lennon and Anne Ledwith) 29 Nov 1890 St Marys Pro Cathedral

01 Dec 1859 Birth of son Thomas Ryan(1859–1938)  • 9 Upper Exchange Street, Dublin, Ireland
- married  Ellen Everard (daughter of William Everard and Mary Conroy) 29 Feb 1892, St Josephs Berkley Road. Ellen was born 26 Oct 1872, Dublin and died 1943.
James is listed as a bootmaker on marriage certificate.
- Thomas is my great grandfather

abt 1861 Birth of daughter Mary Ryan(1861–)  • Ireland
married Thomas O'connor (son of Thomas O'Connor and Catherine Fox) on 24 Nov 1886 St Marys Pro Cathedral

18 Apr 1862  Birth of son James Ryan(1862–) • 56 Georges street, Dublin

03 Mar 1865 Birth of son Patrick Laurence Ryan (1865–)  • 56 Georges street, Dublin.
He married Mary Anne Whelan

So James and Mary married in Dublin and had their children in Dublin as far as I can ascertain. No information on where James or Mary came from or their DOB.