James Ryan Dublin/ Tipperary 18xx-? - Dead ends?

[bclc71]

He was deceased by 1886 according to daughter Mary’s marriage record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5961864.pdf


Do you have a death for him?

thank you. No I dont. interesting that on Marys marriage record 1886 it shows James is deceased because on Thomas's marriage record 1892 it doesnt note that he is deceased.

[heywood]

Some records show ‘alive’ or ‘dead/deceased’. Others don’t but it doesn’t mean that the person was alive at that time.


I think you have reversed the birth year for William - should it be 1856?
 
You would imagine  that there would be births between 1851 and 1855 but there does seem to be a lack of records.

Godparents can be useful in case they are family and would spread the search wider.

What do you mean by ‘William had some connection to Tipperary’? Where did that information come from?

It’s a bit vague. 

[bclc71]

This is the only death I can see but not sure because of the area.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020645/7244009.pdf

interesting - right age range ( 52 in 1874 = birth approx 1822, married 1850 ), Shoe maker consistent with 'bootmaker' on children Mary and Thomas's marriage documents

[bclc71]

What do you mean by ‘William had some connection to Tipperary’? Where did that information come from?
It’s a bit vague. 

yes very vague!!!  my mother remembers her father William(Liam), son of Thomas 1859-1938 going to visit family in Tipperary - but never gave any details, never talked about. So my mother assumed thats were Thomas had come from but he was born and raised in Dublin. 

On Ancestry there are people with shared ancestry who have recorded James as coming from Callen, Kilkenny but no evidence that its the same James at all and some inconsistencies.

[heywood]

He was deceased by 1886 according to daughter Mary’s marriage record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5961864.pdf


Do you have a death for him?

thank you. No I dont. interesting that on Marys marriage record 1886 it shows James is deceased because on Thomas's marriage record 1892 it doesnt note that he is deceased.

William’s marriage - father is deceased.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10692/5896967.pdf

[Wexflyer]

What do you mean by ‘William had some connection to Tipperary’? Where did that information come from?
It’s a bit vague. 

yes very vague!!!  my mother remembers her father William(Liam), son of Thomas 1859-1938 going to visit family in Tipperary - but never gave any details, never talked about. So my mother assumed thats were Thomas had come from but he was born and raised in Dublin. 

And were the family William visited on his paternal grandfather or grandmother's side? Or his mother's side?  Seems to me that there are alternatives to they being Ryans at all.

[bclc71]

And were the family William visited on his paternal grandfather or grandmother's side? Or his mother's side?  Seems to me that there are alternatives to they being Ryans at all.

I dont know anymore unfortunately, but valid point. I may never know.

[shanreagh]

Could they be from the McKenna/Kenna side? 

5 August 1850 Marriage of Jacobus Ryan and Maria Anne McKenna at RC church of St Nicholas (Without), Dublin City

Have you seen the marriage details? Are there any clues eg father's names etc.

Just looked witnesses were Jacobo Gernon and Anna Lee. 

[shanreagh]

This is the only death I can see but not sure because of the area.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020645/7244009.pdf

interesting - right age range ( 52 in 1874 = birth approx 1822, married 1850 ), Shoe maker consistent with 'bootmaker' on children Mary and Thomas's marriage documents

The informant was a Mary Ryan.  He was a widower so that means his wife may have died prior to 1874, so after the wedding and the births of her children.