Author Topic: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795  (Read 10052 times)

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I have a query about the correct transcribing of Joseph Francois Maniere Fils' Identity Card details.This is what I know of him:

Parents:     Charles Maniere and Francois Touron.
Born:         1770 in Terrasson-Lavilledieu, Sarlat, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France.
            (Source: Dordogne, Church and Civil Registration, 1540 – 1896).
Married:     17 December 1792 in France to Toinette Lacombe (Father Pierre Lacombe; mother Toinette
                  Dumond).

ID Card Transcription (Translated using Google as I don't speak French):

Joseph Francois Maniere Fils
France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795

Name:            Joseph Francois Maniere Fils
Event Type:         Residence
Event Date:         6 September 1793
Event Place:          Paris, Seine, France
Event Place (Original):   Paris, France
Address:                           Rue Chateaulandon 13
                                        (Chateaulandon Street, Number 13)
Last Place of Residence:   Aux Invalides (At the Invalides)
Age:             23
Occupation:         Sculpteur (Sculptor)
Birth Year (Estimated):   1770
Birth Place:         Paris
Arrival Date:         sa naissance (His birth)
Arrival Place:         Since his birth
Note:                           Doit monter la G. attendu qu'il doit demeurer chez son pere sortant des
                                        Invalides avec sa pension
                                   (Must ride the G. since he must stay with his father leaving the Invalides
                                        with his pension)
Box Number:   F7/4792
EXT_ID:   3212

I'm not sure that this translation is absolutely accurate:
                                        Doit monter la G. attendu qu'il doit demeurer chez son pere sortant des
                                        Invalides avec sa pension
                                   (Must ride the G. since he must stay with his father leaving the Invalides
                                        with his pension)

I assume that this is an instruction or direction for him to live with his father after leaving the Invalides (Hospital? I believe he was receiving a pension from the church at the time) but what does it mean by "Must ride the G."? My best guess is that it was an instruction to ride to his father's place via a specified route?

All help and information about Revolutionary France at this time more gratefully received.

Peter





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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 12:58 BST (UK) »

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:09 BST (UK) »
Hi joger.

That's really helpful and also very interesting. Would "Be on guard" have been an instruction to Joseph to be careful, or would it have been a warning to anyone who stopped him to check his ID?

Joseph is actually an intriguing character in my family history. Some records show that he was a lieutenant in the French army; whilst others say he was a sculptor from the Aquitaine region. My late mother often related a story that Joseph had to escape from Revolutionary France as he was Jewish. My research shows that he was Christian, but I'm open to the possibility that he might have upset someone in authority and had to flee to England.

Thanks again for the quick reply and the correction, and also for the link.

Peter

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:16 BST (UK) »
Would that suggest that it is an instruction not to impede his move to his father's home?

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:18 BST (UK) »
where did you find this note ? Can you give the source and link?
Have you noticed that the owner of the geneanet tree is a descendant of Jospeh? you could write to him.

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:26 BST (UK) »
in 1793 Joseph was a soldier , he could have been a sculptor too before (and after ) the revolution

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:26 BST (UK) »
Would that suggest that it is an instruction not to impede his move to his father's home?
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apparently he had to stay at his father's home

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Re: Joseph Francois Maniere Fils France, Paris, Identity Cards, 1792 - 1795
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 13:30 BST (UK) »
Found at familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1QPCD-KMW3