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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #9 on: Friday 04 November 22 19:59 GMT (UK) »

Of particular interest to me in the 1851 census, when they have the following servant with them:
Fanny Bradford (or Bradfield, it's hard to read), aged 43 born in Henly on Thames.


Not sure if it was just a heat induced typo, but to me Fanny's age looks like 13 on the 1851 census.  ;)

I think it's my eyes! I had another look and can see it's clearly 13 now!

Isn't this Fanny Bradfield born Henley in the 51 Census the same as Frances Ellen Bradfield baptised in Wonersh daughter of Alfred Bradfield?

Possibly. The whole situation is a bit mysterious.
Is Alfred Bradfield the same man as Alfred Johnson?
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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #10 on: Friday 04 November 22 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Well I was just wondering that ???
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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #11 on: Friday 04 November 22 22:13 GMT (UK) »
Well I was just wondering that ???

It's really messed with my brain, so I've decided to leave it for a while and come back again when more people have taken DNA tests and things could be a bit clearer.
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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 November 22 01:43 GMT (UK) »
Is this your family?

Ancestry Census England 1851  at Minster in Sheppey Kent
JOHNSON Alfred      30y Cordwainer        b. Henley on Thames Kent
JOHNSON Emily       28y                         b. Isleworth Middlesex
JOHNSON Emily         5y    dau                b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Alfred        3y    son                b. Sheerness Kent 
JOHNSON Henry        1y    son                b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Albert        3m   son                b. Sheerness Kent
BRADFORD Fanny     43y*  servant          b. Henley on Thames

(I see this age to be 13 years, not 43 years)


Ancestry Census England 1861  at Minster in Sheppey Kent
JOHNSON Alfred        40y     shoemaker &  **     b. Henley Oxon
JOHNSON Emily        28y                                   b. Isleworth Middlesex
JOHNSON Emily          5y                                   b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Alfred         3y                                   b.  Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Henry         1y                                   b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Albert         3m                                  b. Sheerness Kent


Where is Emily JOHNSON, 5 years at 1851, for the 1861 Census?

Is this your Emily JOHNSON?

Ancestry Census England 1851  at 248 High St Minster in Sheppey Kent
MANSELL Thomas    28y  widower    grocer assist.             b. Birkenhead Cheshire
MANSELL Walter T     2y   son                                          b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Emily       15y  niece        scholar                      b. Sheerness Kent

plus a second family at this address.


GRO births
MANSELL, Walter Thomas     mms    BRADFIELD 
1858  DecQ      in Sheppey 69            Vol 02A  Page 571

Ancestry London marriages
Jan 11 1858  All Saints Church Middlesex
MANSELL Thomas  28y  bachelor  grocer      res. 1 Upper Winchester St
Father:  John MANSELL shipwright

BRADFIELD Margaret Ellen Maria   24y  spinster
Father: John BRADFIELD   draper                 res. 1 Upper Winchester St
Witnesses:  Samuel WHITLEY  Martha WHITLEY

all parties sign.



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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 November 22 02:21 GMT (UK) »


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1623/
Ancestry London marriages

Parish Church St Marylebone  6 Oct 1851
WHITLEY Samuel   full age  bachelor  shoemaker  res. St Marylebone
Father: Thos WHITLEY   shoemaker

BRADFIELD Emily    full age   spinster    res. St Marylebone
Father: John BRADFIELD   tailor
Witnesses: William   ****  Mary ROLPH           all parties sign 

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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 November 22 09:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Wivenhoe.
I'm going to need some time to look through all of that!
But it definitely looks like links to known genetic relations!

Appreciate your detective work!
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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 06 November 22 11:20 GMT (UK) »
So, thanks again, Wivenhoe.

Margaret Ellen Maria Bradfield & Emily Bradfield (whose marriages you found) are both daughters of Rachel Bradfield née Cooper born in 1785 in Ascott-under-Wychwood, Oxfordshire. I'm descended from her younger brother William.
My DNA matches who descend from this "Alfred Johnson" match known descendants of the Cooper family.
Now I'm really starting to wonder if Alfred Bradfield baptised in 1812 in Henley, Oxfordshire is in fact the same as Alfred Johnson, who started a new life with a second wife.
I need to look through all the records again to try to compile a chronology, but that's definitely the assumption I'm working on at the moment.
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Re: Alfred Johnson born circa 1820 Henley
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 06 November 22 21:29 GMT (UK) »


My Correction from my reply #12   (for family at 1861) to compare family, 1851, and family, 1861.

Ancestry Census England 1851  at Minster in Sheppey Kent
JOHNSON Alfred      30y Cordwainer        b. Henley on Thames Kent
JOHNSON Emily       28y                         b. Isleworth Middlesex
JOHNSON Emily         5y    dau                b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Alfred        3y    son                b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Henry        1y    son                b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Albert        3m   son                b. Sheerness Kent
BRADFORD Fanny     43y*  servant          b. Henley on Thames

(I see this age to be 13 years, not 43 years)


Ancestry Census England 1861  at Kings Head Alley Kent
JOHNSON Alfred        40y     shoemaker &  **     b. Henley Oxon
JOHNSON Emily        36y                                   b. Surrey
JOHNSON Alfred       13y                                   b.  Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Albert       10y                                   b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Ellen          8y                                   b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON James        6y                                   b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Benjamin   4y                                    b. Sheerness Kent
JOHNSON Caroline     1y                                    b. Sheerness Kent