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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #9 on: Monday 15 August 22 17:05 BST (UK) »
Lancs OPC has transcribed it as James.
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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #10 on: Monday 15 August 22 18:21 BST (UK) »
I think I'm leaning towards Saml - perhaps the Lancs OPC transcriber also had problems!

Thanks for all the help,

Jean
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DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)

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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #11 on: Monday 15 August 22 18:38 BST (UK) »
I turned this image into a negative view using the Irfan View programme.  There is no "e" in the signature.

You have to make a conscious effort to get the loops right on a capital letter "J" and the capital letter "S" but this person was quite confident and didn't bother with the top loop.   If the writer intended to sign with a "J" then he should have put the pen on the paper and made a left hand stroke, then moved upwards to a point and then back down again.

The writer didn't do that he went straight up to the top of the page and quickly brought the pen down again - he wasn't bothered with any loops at the top of his name, he was more bothered that his initial had plenty of loops at the bottom.

 I still think it's Saml
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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 August 22 18:47 BST (UK) »
I have a question, why would both witnesses be male?

Did women not have a bridesmaid as a witness  :-\

Annie
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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #13 on: Monday 15 August 22 19:19 BST (UK) »
I think the witnesses vary.  Sometimes it's the parish clerks who are both male, other times relatives who are either male or female.  I had considered both male and female witnesses but couldn't see either obviously but if anyone has female name ideas I think they are absolutely valid.

Jean
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CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)

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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #14 on: Monday 15 August 22 21:41 BST (UK) »
JD, it was an observation I thought I'd throw in.

Have you managed to find other Davenport baptisms which may help with who the witness was, likely a sibling?

I'm on the fence with a name as the last letter does look like a 'd'  :-\

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #15 on: Monday 15 August 22 21:48 BST (UK) »
Yes I was just thinking the same, he could be a brother. 
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Re: First Name of Witness
« Reply #16 on: Monday 15 August 22 22:15 BST (UK) »
JD, it was an observation I thought I'd throw in.

Have you managed to find other Davenport baptisms which may help with who the witness was, likely a sibling?

I'm on the fence with a name as the last letter does look like a 'd'  :-\

Annie

I did some searches earlier but nothing jumped out! 

Was John of Bolton?
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 15 August 22 22:58 BST (UK) »
Yes tricky one.  Could it be Saml  :-\

That's what I see.
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