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Offline arthurk

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 25 August 22 13:33 BST (UK) »
I also thought Montague, with a / following - thanks, JenB, for finding some corroboration.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 August 22 14:49 BST (UK) »
Looking at other pages in the same set it’s clear that all such cases begin with a surname then a / as Arthur suggests.

So I’m confident the word in question is Montague/

It’s unclear what the significance of the surname is because they are all different, so I don’t think they can all be judges.
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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 25 August 22 15:11 BST (UK) »
I think now that it’s perhaps more likely that the name preceding the charge was that of the person in authority at the penal colony who had brought the case.
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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 August 22 22:55 BST (UK) »
This is really interesting - and a great help.
Thank you so much.
Cheers
Charlie


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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 27 August 22 02:16 BST (UK) »
More on the name Montague - I accessed the database of Female Convicts at the Uni of Tasmania.
Montague was in fact the "Master" (presumably of the establishment she was assigned to) - date of offence 11th August 1843, the magistrate's initials given as P.S.
Plus probation noted 21st April 1846 '3rd Class'.
I'm still trying to decipher the writing at the top of the form - dates beginning 27/4/1844.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you again for all your help.
Charlie

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 August 22 06:02 BST (UK) »
 . . . . .  is the stuiff above the line,  over Caroline's name, referring to the same person? 
Sometimes there are several different convicts listed on per page.

Worth asking?      ;)

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 27 August 22 09:12 BST (UK) »
You could be right, Wiggy
 I looked again at the full page at:
Record of Conduct: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-2$init=CON40-1-2p241
Nothing seemed to be recorded about these items in the Uni of Tasmania database.
Cheers
Charlie

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 August 22 09:45 BST (UK) »
I wonder if it would be worth asking someone from the library to interpret that 'above line' info?

They might help.   ;)

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Caroline Cottrell born 1817
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 27 August 22 10:17 BST (UK) »
You could be right, Wiggy
 I looked again at the full page at:
Record of Conduct: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-2$init=CON40-1-2p241
Nothing seemed to be recorded about these items in the Uni of Tasmania database.
Cheers
Charlie

For some reason the full link to the page doesn’t work.
For anyone wanting to look at the whole page, you need to use the menu bar at the left hand side and select page 241.

The writing above the line could apply to the previous person, Jemima Clements, but if it does why was such a huge space left above it?

Thanks for establishing who Montague was.


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