Charles Dennis 1844/5

[Spiral]

I am confused whilst looking for the birth of Charles Dennis, a cabinet maker living in Birmingham, who says in the 1911 census that he was born in Bloomsbury and is 66 (so 1844/5). Now I had thought that I had found his birth in Lambeth (Mmn Gray) which matched up with a family of cabinet makers. Father George even agrees with Charles marriage information in 1866. So I thought he was just confused and accepted a slight southern shift.

Great! Except for doing back recently I have FindMyPast and Freebmd throwing up an illegitimate birth in 3rd quarter 1844. But surely Bloomsbury ceased to be a registration area in 1839 so how could this be? The birth is not apparently on the GRO site under any name I can find. I don’t want to waste money asking GRO to look for a non existent registration so decided to ask the experts here if they can shed any light on this oddity. Is it likely to be an error on the part of the sites or of GRO?

[Comberton]

Ancestry has this baptism
St George, Bloomsbury, Camden
Born June 6th 1844
Baptised November 23rd 1845
Charles, son of James & Hannah Dennis
Residence Munchmont Place
occupation of father servant
I'm not sure about Freebmd but on FindMyPast a lack of mmn doesn't always mean
illegitimate, I think it is still a work in progress.

[rosie99]

I'm not sure about Freebmd but on FindMyPast a lack of mmn doesn't always mean
illegitimate, I think it is still a work in progress.

Freebmd does not generally list MMN until September qtr 1911 on their birth index

ADDED The entry for the birth registration on FindMyPast links to an image of the register which does not show any MMN's on the page

[Spiral]

ADDED The entry for the birth registration on FindMyPast links to an image of the register which does not show any MMN's on the page

Good point! Thanks for that. But the Bloomsbury note throws me still.

I notice that there is a marriage for a George James Dennis and a Mary Ann Wilson that could tie the baptism that Comberton has found with Charles saying his father is George Dennis - and a servant could become a cabinet maker. Looks like I have a new path to explore.

Do you think that it is worth while trying GRO with the info that FindMyPast gives?

[softly softly]

1851 census ref, is this your family, father's profession matches Charles marriage in 1866.

Piece:   1564
Folio:   182
Page Number:   30

The sons Edward & William birth ref below

DENNIS, WILLIAM  HENRY     mmnGRAY 
GRO Reference: 1848  J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 491

DENNIS, EDWARD  THOMAS     mmn GRAY 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK

John

John

[jonw65]

FindMyPast and Freebmd throwing up an illegitimate birth in 3rd quarter 1844. The birth is not apparently on the GRO site under any name I can find.

Might be indexed twice originally?
BEVAN, CHARLES       
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1844  S Quarter in ST. GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST. GEORGE BLOOMSBURY  Volume 01  Page 42

[jonw65]

Looks like I have a new path to explore.

If you have his birth registration in Lambeth and family why are you looking at the Bloomsbury birth?

[Spiral]

If you have his birth registration in Lambeth and family why are you looking at the Bloomsbury birth?

Because in 1911 he says he is born in Bloomsbury not in Lambeth. I want to eliminate any doubts about his parents

[Spiral]

1851 census ref, is this your family, father's profession matches Charles marriage in 1866.

Piece:   1564
Folio:   182
Page Number:   30

The sons Edward & William birth ref below

DENNIS, WILLIAM  HENRY     mmnGRAY 
GRO Reference: 1848  J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 491

DENNIS, EDWARD  THOMAS     mmn GRAY 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK

John

John

Yes this is the family I was working on when I came across the other possible birth registration.