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Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« on: Friday 23 September 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to help me to find other records relating to a couple I am researching.    The details I have are as follows:

I have a marriage certificate for Charles Harrison 21 years, Batchelor,  a ships carpenter, father William Harrison, a Shipwright.

The bride is Ellen Griffield 19 years a spinster of no occupation. Father shown as George Griffield (deceased), a coach builder.

They were married in Middlesborough on 28th September 1896, both shown as living at 47 Davison Street, Middlesborough.

I had hoped that getting this certificate was going to give me a few leads, but I cannot find these people anywhere in the census records.     (I did find one William Harrison, a shipwright, living in Kingston upon Hull in 1891, which raised my hopes, but he had no son called Charles, apparently).  I recognise that Charles, although young, could have been a servant somewhere else, but he doesn't appear in earlier years either, when he would have been too young to be working.

In the 1911 census, I have found Ellen Harrison, shown as Head of the family, but married and no sign of her husband. All three children are there.     That is the only positive record I can find.

If anyone can have a look at this one and see if they can find anything I can't, I'd be most grateful.
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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 September 22 21:13 BST (UK) »
For others, this is the family in the 1911 census:

Ellen Harrison, Head, Married, Female, aged 33, b.1878 in County of Durham, Sunderland
Elizabeth Harrison, Daughter, Female, aged 12, b.1899 in Yorkshire, Middlesbro
Charley Harrison, Son, Male, aged 10, b.1901 in Yorkshire, Middlesbro
Ada Harrison, Daughter, Female, aged 6, b.1905 in Yorkshire Middlesbro

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 September 22 21:16 BST (UK) »
Interestingly, Elizabeth and Ada are registered under mother's maiden name Griffield, but Charles is registered under Driffield. However, this might just be a spelling mistake.

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Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 September 22 21:26 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset


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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 September 22 21:39 BST (UK) »
This might be completely wrong, but I note that Ellen was born in Sunderland, Durham and there is this Harrison family:

William S. Harrison, Head, Married, aged 40, b.1841, Male, Shipwright, Sunderland, Durham   
Ann Harrison, Wife, Married, aged 28, b.1853, Female, Sunderland, Durham   

with their children, including:

Charles Harrison, Son, aged 5, b.1876, Male, Scholar, Sunderland, Durham

In 1891, he is still living with his family, but is now an 'apprentice shipwright.'   

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 September 22 04:44 BST (UK) »
How about Helen Criffield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-N43G

Her father John is a coach builder, and he died in the workhouse in 1883.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 September 22 06:15 BST (UK) »
This looks like the same family in 1871 - Living at Queen Street, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham

John   Creffield   54   Coach Builder  Slough, Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth   Creffield   Wife 42   Westmorland
Sarah   Creffield   14   Westmorland
Joseph   Creffield   10   Westmorland
Isabella   Creffield 6  Sunderland, Durham
John T   Creffield 2  Sunderland, Durham

Looks like Elizabeth may have died in 1871 so children born post this date including Helen might not be John's children  or poss his grandchildren??    :-\
CREFFIELD, ELIZABETH        39 
GRO Ref: 1871  J Qter in SUNDERLAND  Vol 10A  Page 331

Kay

Added - for ref it looks like (with the exception of John T) - the children in 1871 were Elizabeth's children fron an earlier marriage to a Thomas Adamthwaite

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 September 22 06:58 BST (UK) »
More on the Creffield lot ….

1881 census Nile St Bishop wearmouth
John Creffield 67 Widower born Slough Buckinghamshire, coach builder
Isabella Creffield 16 daughter born Sunderland Durham
John Jr. Creffield 13 son born Sunderland Durham
Ada Creffield 7 daughter born Sunderland Durham
Helen Creffield 4 daughter born Sunderland Durham

1871 census Bishop wearmouth
John Creffield 54 Head born Slough Buckinghamshire, coach builder
Elizabeth Creffield 42 born Bockleys, Westmorland
Sarah Creffield 14 born Brough, Westmorland
Joseph Creffield 10 born Brough, Westmorland
Isabella Creffield 6 born Sunderland Durham
John T(homas) Creffield 2 born Sunderland Durham
Plus 4 lodgers

Birth rego for youngest boy
CREFFIELD, JOHN  THOMAS     Mother: NEWBOLD 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 484

John Creffield’s wife, Elizabeth (nee NEWBOLD) was previously married to Thomas ADAMTHWAITE, an Inn keeper who died in 1865 Sunderland.
The older 3 children Sarah, Joseph & Isabella Creffield from the census were actually Adamthwaite children.
I cannot see a marriage for Elizabeth Adamthwaite to John Creffield.

Elizabeth Creffield (nee Newbold) died 1871 J Quarter in Sunderland.
So now who was the mother to Helen Creffield and Ada Creffield born after 1871?

This is Ada’s birth rego, but nothing found for Helen
CREFFIELD, ADA       -  no mother named
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 730

Added this birth rego?
GREEN, HELEN       mother: CREFFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 684

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Harrison/Griffield couple - most elusive
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 September 22 07:07 BST (UK) »
In 1891 census , Nether Hallam Yorkshire
there is a 14 year old Ellen GREEN, born Durham living in an industrial school.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)