Hugh Rhind + Ann Noble parentage

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hi all
I wonder if anyone can please help out with this one?

I know that Hugh Rhind married Ann Noble in Inverness on 1st August 1818.
By accessing Scotland's people we have found the attached original document.
Our problem is fairly evident - there are no details of the parentage or parental occupation of either person.

In 1841...
Hugh Rhind, aged about 50, is a weaver - he's there in the census for Inverness and is identified as a Hand Loom Weaver.
Ann Rhind is with him, together with several of his children: William, Ann, Jemima, Hugh, Mary, Alexander (their second child to be named that), Christy (sic - Christiana), Margaret.

In 1851...
Hugh has died - Ann ("Nanny Rhind") is now a widow living with their children, Ann, Jemima, Mary, Alexander, Christiana, Margaret, and Simon.
I cannot, however, find a death for Hugh...

In 1861 and again in 1871...
Ann is still alive and well in Inverness, together with a few children.

Ultimately Ann died aged 74 on 28th November 1873, identified by her maiden name of Ann Noble, widow of Hugh Rhind.
On that document her parents are named Donald Noble and Ann McKilligan, but I can't find a birth to match that family.

We cannot trace Hugh Rhind further backwards either, because the only Hugh Rhind we can find is the wrong one; born to a Rhind + Jameson, that Hugh married an Isabel somebody or other and has a different family through the censuses.

Neither Ancestry nor Scotland's People are particularly helpful in regard to any of my issues.
Can anyone with FindMyPast or a better means of navigating SP please shed any light on this?

[Forfarian]

Neither Ancestry nor Scotland's People are particularly helpful in regard to any of my issues.
Can anyone with FindMyPast or a better means of navigating SP please shed any light on this?

If you can't find it on Scotland's People that means that the particular bits of information you are looking for have almost certainly not survived. Neither Ancestry nor FindMyPast has significant additional resources - the information on those sites, and on other commercial web sites, is an index to, or in some cases a transcription of, the records on Scotland's People.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

However the marriage record you posted describes Hugh Rhind as a pensioner. In this context, it specifically means that he was receiving a pension after having served in the Army or Navy, so it might be worth looking for a service record. Though that's unlikely to name his parents either.

[MonicaL]

However the marriage record you posted describes Hugh Rhind as a pensioner....

Following Forfarian's suggestion, there are 2 entries for a Hugh Rhind on the National Archives site. I think they refer to the same man. Shows him as aged 30 in 1817 when he left the army so he would have been born c. 1787?

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8854782
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14426283

Would fit timings. Leaving the army in 1817, marrying in 1818. One concern for me is that it shows this Hugh as born in Inverness. Hugh Rhind in his census entry in 1841 shows as born outside the county of Inverness-shire.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just thinking of Scottish naming pattern for the use of their children's names. Not always used and not always in order, but can be a guide or provide clues.

You mention there was an earlier born Alexander? When was he born?

See there was a first born daughter Margaret in 1819 who died young and name resused for a later born girl.

Monica

[BassinghamTerrier]

Haven't got access to my tree right now but, off the top of my head...

First Alexander born 1830
Second born 1835
Both births/baptisms are on Family Search. Parents in both cases are     Hugh Rhind and Ann Noble.

[MonicaL]

The top of your head is good 

From SP, it lists for Hugh and Ann:

1819 Margaret
1822 Isabella
c.1824 William (not on SP)
1825 Ann
1827 Jemina
1829 Hugh
1830 Alexander
1832 Mary
1835 Alexander
1837 Christian
1839 Margaret
1842 Simon

Monica

[BassinghamTerrier]

The top of your head is good 

From SP, it lists for Hugh and Ann:

1819 Margaret
1822 Isabella
c.1824 William (not on SP)
1825 Ann
1827 Jemina
1829 Hugh
1830 Alexander
1832 Mary
1835 Alexander
1837 Christian
1839 Margaret
1842 Simon

Monica

Thanks for this, Monica.
You've alerted me to two earlier children.

[MonicaL]

Not that it helps at the moment but there is an edit to to the pension papers for the Hugh Rhind we have linked above to TNA. His birth place has been edited to Dores, Inverness-shire rather than Inverness. He was an 18 year old labourer when he enlisted in 1804. His age is given as 30 and 3/4 when he was discharged on 30 April 1817.

Monica

[Neale1961]

Hugh Rhind’s army pension papers recorded his death as 13 Jan 1851