Letitia (Alice) smith

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My fourth great grandmother letitia smith claimed on census to have been born in stoney Stratford bucks trees on ancestry give dates either 1805 or 1811
She married in sulgrave Northamptonshire first to a John wright then to a John Tanner I have the info on these marriages and the subsequent children. What I can’t find is any birth or baptism for letitia. There is no fathers name on either marriage paper work. On one census she uses name Alice. I wondered if some one would be kind enough to see if they can find anything. Iv tried and Just can’t. Thank you.

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Did you notice the marriage before John Wright to Letitia Smith is of a

William Cleaver to Martha Wright 28 October 1824

Witness John Smith and Susanna Busby

Is Martha related to John Wright, and how about John Smith and Letitia Smith

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Answered part my own question
John and Martha Wright are the children of Richard and Ann Wright

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1841 Letitia  30
1851  Alice   41
1861 Alice    58 -  she gains 7 years in age
1871 Leitcha (Letitia)  67  -  the additional 7 years again

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Buried as Alice Tanner age 69 at Culworth on 24 August 1873

In death the additional 7 years

[acon66]

Did you notice the marriage before John Wright to Letitia Smith is of a

William Cleaver to Martha Wright 28 October 1824

Witness John Smith and Susanna Busby

Is Martha related to John Wright, and how about John Smith and Letitia Smith

im sure Martha is johns sister

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Naming patterns if followed

First daughter Ann -- usually named for wife's mother, however John Wright's mother is also Ann!

second daughter Eleanor (aka Helen) usually named for his mother.
The 2 sons Adam and Peter are not named for him or his father, have you traced John Wright's family, are these the names in previous generations.

Do you have the newspaper clipping -3 May 1834 Northampton Mercury.
The three children of John Wright of Sulgrave were buried in one grave , they had been ill with some sickness for one or two days.

(Ann age 8, Adam age 4, Peter age 2 all buried 14 April 1834)

The name Ann meant a lot to them as on 25 December 1834 another daughter named Ann.     

[acon66]

Naming patterns if followed

First daughter Ann -- usually named for wife's mother, however John Wright's mother is also Ann!

second daughter Eleanor (aka Helen) usually named for his mother.
The 2 sons Adam and Peter are not named for him or his father, have you traced John Wright's family, are these the names in previous generations.

Do you have the newspaper clipping -3 May 1834 Northampton Mercury.
The three children of John Wright of Sulgrave were buried in one grave , they had been ill with some sickness for one or two days.

(Ann age 8, Adam age 4, Peter age 2 all buried 14 April 1834)

The name Ann meant a lot to them as on 25 December 1934 another daughter named Ann.   

i had the three children dying in the same year and often wondered if they all had same illness no I don’t have paper clipping of that but thank you for the info. Iv looked at a John smith prob the wedding witness think he married a silence some one. Johns family tree iv done some work on but not a great deal.

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The families are all inter connected

William *Cleaver who married Martha Wright (sister to John Wright)

Sarah *Cleaver married John Smith 11 August 1823

*William and Sarah Cleaver are both children of Richard Cleaver married Ann Jones 26 July 1796 at Sulgrave

1841 John Smith with William and Fanny is living with his widowed mother in law Ann Cleaver
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Sarah Cleaver-Smith buried 4 October 1832 age 28 wife of John Smith
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Richard Cleaver buried 31 May 1823 age 46 (husband of Ann nee Jones)
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Then there is Samuel Smith married Ann Tanner 21 January 1839 witness John and Susannah Smith
his father Abner Smith
Her father John Tanner whose 1st wife Elizabeth, 2nd wife LETITIA Wright nee Smith
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I would try and sort out the Smith families in Sulgrave.

 

[acon66]

Thank you for that different view of this.
Iv felt for a long time that there is some connection to Nehemiah smith abners father. But I’m yet to make the connection. There is a definite Romany connection somewhere as the dna points to it. Again thank you.

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The other marriages to check are  (Sulgrave)

Sophia Smith to Richard Goff 13 September 1836 (she was buried 12 October 1837 age 24 )

Abel Smith to Elizabeth Tyrrell 17 October 1833

Aaron Smith to Elizabeth Coleman 11 August 1823

Notes
The Elizabeth Simons age 5 with John Tanner and Letitia 1841census  is the grand daughter of John Tanner, his daughter Jane Tanner by his first wife married James Simons 25 May 1836.
James Simons was of Heddington Oxfordshire
Witness, Henry Smith and Ann Tanner.

John Tanner & Elizabeth (1st iwife)-  she was buried 2 August 1835
Jane bap 4 November 1815 married James SIMONS
Anne bap. 18 January 1818 married Samuel SMITH
Edmund bap. 9 January 1820
? there may be more in this 10 year gap.
Elizabeth bap 13 January 1830
Hannah bap. 21 April 1833
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Story Stratford is about 33 miles from Sulgrave so not that far.