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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 October 22 14:57 BST (UK) »
Abel smith and Elizabeth Tyrell had a daughter fanny she married third great uncle Thomas Jeffs. Middleton cheney
Oconnor/Ayres/Bennett....Wardington
Timms/bowerman...charlbury water Eaton  Middleton  cheney
Ianson Darlington
Moss pratley
 peachey
Dna matches to loveridge smith Boswell Lovell

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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 09 October 22 17:25 BST (UK) »
My fourth great grandmother letitia smith claimed on census to have been born in stoney Stratford bucks trees on ancestry give dates either 1805 or 1811
What I can’t find is any birth or baptism for letitia.

Stony Stratford, now part of Milton Keynes, lies on the old A5 Watling Street. It had an Eleanor Cross and was an important stop for the coaches that plied Waling Street before the railway and then the M1 changed transport patterns.

The eastern side of the town was originally in the parish of Wolverton and the western side in the parish of Calverton - have you checked Calverton and Wolverton for a baptism for Letitia?

A Romany family the Biddles  used to be a familiar sight in Calverton until well into the 20th Century. There are other regular stopping places in the area so look at Beachampton too.

I just looked at the name index in my copy of Richard Edmund's "Early British Gypsy Families" volume 3 which covers SMITH and there's no entry for any Letitia.

There are mentions of Nehemiahs - a possible baptism 1787 Burwell, Cambs, an entry on the 1861 census camped at Grindstone Lane, Edgbaston, Warwicks and in 1841 a Nehemiah Smith and a John Smith imprisoned for lodging under a tent at Long Buckby, Northants.

Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas

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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 09 October 22 17:30 BST (UK) »

Iv felt for a long time that there is some connection to Nehemiah smith abners father. But I’m yet to make the connection. There is a definite Romany connection somewhere as the dna points to it.

Tyrrell is a Gypsy surname and I see you say you have DNA matches with some other Romany surnames - maybe start a new thread on the Travelling People board to try and see if any of the very helpful people over there can help with sorting out your Smith line.
Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas

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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 09 October 22 17:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you Darnity appreciate all that. I think I have that smith book. In light of a dna test taken by a family member today my Romany matches are indeed on my paternal line. Bit confusing at the moment but could be some one had a different father then records say😀😀
Oconnor/Ayres/Bennett....Wardington
Timms/bowerman...charlbury water Eaton  Middleton  cheney
Ianson Darlington
Moss pratley
 peachey
Dna matches to loveridge smith Boswell Lovell


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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 October 22 10:28 BST (UK) »
Hi.

Maybe a red herring.
From the Northants Baptisms indexes.

Whilton C of E   
15-Dec-1799
Alice   SMITH d of Thos & Mary, gipsies

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Re: Letitia (Alice) smith
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 October 22 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hi.

Maybe a red herring.
From the Northants Baptisms indexes.

Whilton C of E   
15-Dec-1799
Alice   SMITH d of Thos & Mary, gipsies

Sandy
Thank you for taking time to look
I will check that out.
Atb.
Oconnor/Ayres/Bennett....Wardington
Timms/bowerman...charlbury water Eaton  Middleton  cheney
Ianson Darlington
Moss pratley
 peachey
Dna matches to loveridge smith Boswell Lovell