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Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« on: Tuesday 04 October 22 20:01 BST (UK) »
She married Reuben Gilson 11 May 1869. Anderston, Glasgow. Her Parents were John Thomson(Occ.Blacksmith) & Susan(nee' Baird).

Margaret Gilson married Enoch Bedson, 18 Apr 1885 • West Gorton, All Saints, Lancashire. (Both were widowed).

I cannot find a birth/baptism for Margaret Thomson/Thompson, nor a marriage in ScotlandsPeople, for her parents John & Susan.
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 20:52 BST (UK) »
Do you have a particular reason for posting this on the Dunbartonshire forum?

Because there is a family lodging in Old Monkland in the 1851 census that includes John Thomson, 35; Susanna Thomson, 30; both born in Ireland, and children including Margaret Thomson, 7; and Livinia Thomson, 2, both born Old Monkland.

Look it up at https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and see if you think it could be your Margaret.

They were still in New Monkland in the 1861 census, but I have not yet found them in 1871.

There is one curious thing, though.

There is a Catholic baptism of Margaret, daughter of John Thomson and Susan McCloskey, in Airdrie on 3 March 1844. And a death of Levina Thomson or Smith, aged 78, in Paisley in 1928, mother's maiden surname McClaskey. IF Levina is the child in the 1851 and 1861 census, could it be that Margaret got her mother's surname wrong on her marriage certificate?

In 1881 Susan Thomson, widow, mother-in-law, aged 58, born Ireland, is in the household of Timothy Hughes. Timothy Hughes married Elizabeth Thomson in Old Monkland in 1872. Elizabeth Thomson or Hughes died in Paisley in 1929 aged 74, mother's surname McCluskie.

Susan Thomson or McLuskie, 70, died in Neilston in 1896, no mother's name recorded.

What if it was Susan McCluskie's mother (Margaret and Lavinia's grandmother) who was Susan Baird?
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 21:04 BST (UK) »
The family Forfarian has found was in Muirkirk, Ayrshire in 1841:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1421aef4040b9d6e0b6d8c/susanna-thomson-1841-ayrshire-muirkirk-1821-?locale=en

In 1871 they are in Brown's Square, Langloan, Old Monkland:

John Thomson, 53, labourer in iron works, b. Ireland
Susan Thomson, 48, b. Ireland

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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 22:45 BST (UK) »


Who are the witnesses on the 1869 GILSON-THOMSON marriage certificate?

What church did they marry in?

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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 22:57 BST (UK) »
The 1871 census for Chester England shows Margaret Gilson (nee Thomson) wife of Reuben as born in Dumbarton Scotland, about 1845.

In 1881 census the Gilson family is in Lancashire, and Margaret is still showing as born in Dumbartonshire. Two children with them John 10 born Dumbartonshire, and Levina 6 born Salford.
(The name Levina is interesting.)

Margaret (a widow, age 38) married again in 1885 Lancashire to Enoch Bedson. On the marriage record her father is John Thompson, deceased.

In the 1901 census, Margaret is still recorded as born in Dumbarton.
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 23:23 BST (UK) »
Dumbarton was where she apparently came from in most UK census returns, hence Dunbartonshire.

All I have to go by are the marriage certs.

Why would she have her p.o.b as Dumbarton, why not Old Monkland.

I'll buy another batch of credits, and investigate furrther.

Thanks for the help Forfarian and GR2.  Most welcome.
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 23:26 BST (UK) »
Quote from: wivenhoe on Tuesday 04 October 22 22:45 BST (UK)


Who are the witnesses on the 1869 GILSON-THOMSON marriage certificate?

What church did they marry in?

Anderston, (Church of Scotland), Glasgow, as mentioned.  Witnesses were Hugh McClean & Elizabeth Stewart.
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 October 22 23:27 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 04 October 22 22:57 BST (UK)
The 1871 census for Chester England shows Margaret Gilson (nee Thomson) wife of Reuben as born in Dumbarton Scotland, about 1845.

In 1881 census the Gilson family is in Lancashire, and Margaret is still showing as born in Dumbartonshire. Two children with them John 10 born Dumbartonshire, and Levina 6 born Salford.
(The name Levina is interesting.)

Margaret (a widow, age 38) married again in 1885 Lancashire to Enoch Bedson. On the marriage record her father is John Thompson, deceased.

In the 1901 census, Margaret is still recorded as born in Dumbarton.

Yes, that's correct.
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Re: Margaret Thomson 1846. Dumbarton, Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 October 22 00:05 BST (UK) »
Checked for Old Monkland, nothing there.  But found a baptism at St Margarets, Airdrie.

Yes, Margaret was born to John Thomson and Sussana McLusky.  3 Mar 1844.
Sponsors, John Thomson & Bridget Sheridan.

Still not sure if this is the correct.!
Ives, Stevens, Allen, Smith, King, Wooster, Elwood from Monks and Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, Wendover, Great Missenden, Bledlow, Horsenden, Saunderton, West Wycombe, High Wycombe, Lacey Green, Longwick, Illmer,  Hughenden, Prestwood, The Kimbles, Haslemere, Bradenham, Aston Clinton and more......!!  Plus a whole host of Oxfordshire areas.
Graham, Pimlott, Burgess from Cheshire and Lancashire area.
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