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Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« on: Sunday 09 October 22 10:55 BST (UK) »
Hello

From what I have found the first chapel at Clogh/Clough in Clones parish was built around 1730. PRONI have the microfilms of the parish registers back to 1811 plus some extracts going back to around 1795.

The Church of Ireland list of parish registers lost in the Dublin fire does not make any mention of parish registers dating back to 1730.  Anyone know if the Clogh parish registers for 1730 to 1811 survive anywhere?

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 February 23 22:00 GMT (UK) »
I think Holy Trinity - Clogh Parish was a chapel of ease for Clones Parish and only opened about the same time as St Marks - Aghadrumsee Parish in approx 1820.

Records prior to the openings of those would be at Clones Parish Church, Clones, Co Monaghan, it is just off the diamond in Clones town.  Here is a link on Google Maps - https://goo.gl/maps/pcjiLv2eKgMQ6U5Y6

There are some marriages transcribed on IGP, see https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/church.htm under Clogh

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 February 23 22:10 GMT (UK) »

I saw an article on JSTOR that the first Clogh chapel was built about 1730.  I have been to PRONI and the main surviving parish registers go back to 1811 but the PRONI microfilm has some records from the 1790's.

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 February 23 22:21 GMT (UK) »
There are a lot of places called Clogh/Clough, are you sure they were talking about this one in particular?

This is it on Google Streetview - https://goo.gl/maps/zFWviiqG2G6s23rs5


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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 February 23 22:46 GMT (UK) »
Yes.  It stated that it was the chapel of ease for Clones at Clogh.  Clogher Record, Vol 20, No.3 (2011).  Article by William Rouslton, pages 465 and 466.  A chapel there in 1733.  1751 confirmed as Clogh.

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 February 23 07:55 GMT (UK) »
PRONI’s catalogue has been built up over many years. They don’t have the records for every church in Ulster but where they know of records elsewhere the catalogue usually says where they are held eg “in local custody.”  If there’s no reference to any early records for Clogh that suggests that none exist. That’s not unusual. There are many gaps in church records for all the usual reasons, weather damage, carelessness, or the records were simply not kept. You could try contacting the parish office to see if they know of any earlier records.

There’s a note in the Drumgooland Church of Ireland records in PRONI (MIC 1/40), dated 1st Feb 1779, which says:

“A marriage and some baptisms prior to the record of this book with the utmost submission inserted here for this reason that this parish had no register book kept in it before, as far as can be remembered.” 

That probably tells you all you need to know about the standards of record keeping that sometimes prevailed in the 18th & 19th centuries. It was evidently haphazard at times, and consequently many early records are either lost or were never kept in the first place.
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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 February 23 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 February 23 21:21 GMT (UK) »
Just been looking at some of the older stones in the graveyard on IGP and there are burials in the early 1800's, so you are probably correct.  This one which is transcribed, is from 1816.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/fermanagh-clogh-coi/target158.html

If I remember and in the area, I'll nip over and see if there is a date stone.  Might give an idea of when it was built.  It does look older than St Marks, from the photographs at least.

Is there something there you are looking for?

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Re: Clogh Church of Ireland early parish records, Co. Fermanagh/Monaghan
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 February 23 22:59 GMT (UK) »
Also just wanted to point out that Clogh Parish straddles the Co Fermanagh/Co Monaghan border.  Therefore records might actually be transcribed on IGP but under Co Monaghan.

A trick for searching these records is to go to Google and use the following:

site:http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/monaghan/ "<search_word>"

Replacing <search_word> with the surname or even Christian name and Surname.  You can even search by townland if you know that.  Can then replace monaghan with fermanagh to do a search in different county.