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Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« on: Tuesday 11 October 22 18:01 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help my family identify this coat of arms that my Great Grandma was given as a young child by her fathers family. It was unknow who her father was as she never met him and he name was not written on her birth certificate. Its from either Northern England or Wales.

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 October 22 19:46 BST (UK) »
Looks to be a coin? Or a medal?
Rather than a coat-of-arms.

Looks to be either an Imperial Eagle, or the eagle used by the Holy Roman Empire.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 October 22 19:48 BST (UK) »
The coat of arms is neither Welsh nor English.  I suspect that it has something to do with - Archduke Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria of Austria (18 December 1863 – 28 June 1914), who was the heir presumptive to the throne of Austria-Hungary. His assassination in Sarajevo was the most immediate cause of World War I. NOTE the F F at the bottom of the coin. 

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 October 22 21:52 BST (UK) »
A google search for "victorian german nickel" comes up with similar images (from a vintage charms seller)
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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 October 22 22:21 BST (UK) »
So, nothing to do with Franz Ferdinand then, but still also nothing to do with England, or Wales. 

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 October 22 08:51 BST (UK) »
I looked up the “victorian german nickel” and the same image appears on a charm so definitely not a family crest then. We’ve been unsure for years why she was give it on a necklace and presumed it was a clue to who her father was. Still not sure why the German connection as she was born in wrexham in 1911.
Thank you for the help!

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 October 22 18:47 BST (UK) »
There are several german connections to Wrexham in the late 19th century.  Ivan Levinstein and Otto Isler, 2 German immigrants, started brewing lager in Wrexham in 1882. The Wrexham Lager Brewing Company was taken over a couple of years later by Robert Graesser a local german born industrialist. Not suggesting that any of the above were the father of your gt-grandmother. A trawl of the 1901 and 1911 census returns may find other german connections in the area.
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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 October 22 08:18 BST (UK) »
I’d suggest that the closest direct descendant of great grandmother take a DNA test to see if it results in any German matches.   :)

You say that this was given to your great grandmother by her father’s family, yet you don’t know who her father was. If you know the father’s family, how is it that you did not know the father?  :-\

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Re: Help Identifying Family Coat Of Arms
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 October 22 08:36 BST (UK) »
Maybe simply a memento of a trip to Europe?
I have a few coins at home "collected" from holidays!
(USA, Denmark, Mexico, Dominican Republic, amongst others)

Are there any clues on the reverse?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)