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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 10 November 22 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Joseph SKILLICORN Married 1883 Whitehaven to Jane Elizabeth HODGSON

As previously posted, Joseph Skillicorn a miner age 26 sailed from Southhampton to South Africa in June 1894. If this is the right Joseph, then it's possible he was the father of Thomas born 1894, and the family was living in / near to Halifax at the time.
Joseph Skillicorn (miner) died in South Africa in Dec 1908

Interesting to note that Jane (Sillicorn) Hodgson had 2 brothers in South Africa. The brother William, occupation- a miner, died in 1888. The other brother was John.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPSP-WV65

Let's see what the birth certificate says about Thomas' father. I think marriage cert might be needed to confirm age and occupation and parents of Joseph Skillicorn.
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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #28 on: Friday 11 November 22 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Joseph SKILLICORN Married 1883 Whitehaven to Jane Elizabeth HODGSON

As previously posted, Joseph Skillicorn a miner age 26 sailed from Southhampton to South Africa in June 1894. If this is the right Joseph, then it's possible he was the father of Thomas born 1894, and the family was living in / near to Halifax at the time.
Joseph Skillicorn (miner) died in South Africa in Dec 1908

Interesting to note that Jane (Sillicorn) Hodgson had 2 brothers in South Africa. The brother William, occupation- a miner, died in 1888. The other brother was John.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPSP-WV65

Let's see what the birth certificate says about Thomas' father. I think marriage cert might be needed to confirm age and occupation and parents of Joseph Skillicorn.

I thought Joseph left in 1890 (hence not being around for the 1891 census)

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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 13 November 22 07:15 GMT (UK) »
Looking a bit more at the 2 diffferent J Skillicorn men travelling to Sth Africa.
We don’t know the first name for either. There is evidence of a James Skillicorn, and a John Skillicorn, and a Joseph Skillicorn being in Sth Africa around the same time. We don’t know the age of the Joseph that died there in 1908.

However, the J. Skillycorn travelling in Oct 1890, was a married miner (born abt 1857)
The J. Skillicorn travelling in Jun 1894 was a single miner (born abt 1868) – and  I think that he is probably the John Skillicorn from the Isle of Mann that died in Sth Africa in 1895

Along with being absent in the 1891 census, and fitting the newspaper report, it seems that the man travelling in 1890 is most likely the Joseph married to Jane Elizabeth HODGSON. I can’t see a suitable Joseph in the 1881 census –  but perhaps not to worry as he is unlikely to be Thomas’ father.
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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 17 November 22 15:58 GMT (UK) »
I have now received Thomas Mitchell Skillicorn's birth cert.
Born 18 Oct 1894 at 20 Cleveland Avenue, Siddal, Halifax. Fathers name Joseph Skillicorn, Occupation Clay Miner. Mother Jane Skillicorn formally Hodgson.
Name of informant, Jane Skillicorn (Mother) 20 Cleveland Avenue, Siddal, Halifax. Date registered 6th Nov 1894


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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #31 on: Friday 18 November 22 01:32 GMT (UK) »
TIME LINE
1883 Jun Quarter    Marriage of Jane Elizabeth Hodgson and Joseph Skillicorn
1883 Sept Q   son - Albert John Skillicorn born Cleator
1885 June Q   daughter - Florence Ann Skillicorn 1885 born Cleator
1887 Sep Q   son - James Kendall Skillicorn 1887 born Cleator
1889 Mar Q   son - William Hodgson Skillicorn 1889 born Cleator
1890 Oct   Joseph Skillicorn leaves for South Africa
1891 Census   Jane (no occupation) and 4 children living in Cleator, 41 Trumpet Rd
?? We don’t know what happened here, but is seems likely that Jane had to go to work. She possibly went into domestic service, and the children were sent to her relatives, and she ended up in Halifax having an illegitimate son, Thomas.
1894 Oct   Thomas Mitchell Skillicorn born in Halifax
?? We don’t know what happened here. Jane had to continue working. Was she taking care of Thomas, or was he already in care somewhere else?
1897 May   Jane gives birth to an illegitimate son at St Bees. She is working as a charwoman.
1897 July   Jane sent to Broadmoor Asylum, after a court case found her guilty of the baby’s death, but insane at the time.
Her children end up with various relatives. Thomas Mitchell age 2 ½ sent into care - where?
Finding the court records may be useful in understanding exactly what happened to Jane and to her children. Were there legal directives about the children’s care?
1901 Census   Skillcorn children living with relatives in Cleator, Thomas Mitchell age 7 in Whitehaven Workhouse.
1902 July   Jane released from Broadmoor
?? We don’t know what happened here, but it seems that Jane returned to Cleator and was reunited with some of her children. I really wonder if Jane ever had much contact again with Thomas, who may have been sent off from the workhouse to farm service as soon as possible.
1908 Dec   Joseph Skillicorn dies in Sth Africa
1911 Census   Jane, a widow, charwoman living in Cleator with 2 oldest sons. 57 Trumpet Rd.  Jane only acknowledges the birth of 4 children. She does not record 2 illegitimate sons, or death of 1 son.
Son William is living with his maternal grandmother.
Thomas Mitchell is working on a farm in Whitehaven.

1914      Jane Skillicorn marriage to Henry TYSON
1918      James Kendall Skillicorn dies in WW1. His military records acknowledge his mother Jane Elizabeth and siblings Albert, Florence and William. NO mention of Thomas Mitchell.
This is the 2nd time that Thomas Mitchell has not been acknowledge as a member of the family. I suspect that he had been “forgotten about” – separated and estranged from the family since he was a toddler. Very sad.

I think if you want to find out who Joseph Skillcorn was, you will need the information from the marriage record. However, I really don’t see how he could have been Thomas’s father.
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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #32 on: Friday 18 November 22 01:34 GMT (UK) »
The Hodgson family of Cleator is easily found in the census records

Jane Elizabeth HODGSON birth rego
   HODGSON, JANE  ELIZABETH                                      Mother: THOMPSON 
   GRO Reference: 1865  S Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 563

Father: Thomas HODGSON bapt 2 Jul 1820 Arlecdeon Cumberland
He was an iron ore labourer and inn keeper.

Married 1850 Whitehaven to Mary THOMPSON

Thomas HODGSON Died 5 March 1899
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215342012/thomas-hodgson

Children of Thomas and Mary HODGSON

1850 John
1852 Thomas
1855 William
1856 Ann
1859 Johnathan Thompson AND Mary Eleanor (Twins)
1861 Joseph AND Isaac (Twins)
1863 Benjamin
1865 Jane Elizabeth
1867 James Kendall
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Re: Thomas Skillicorn b 1892
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 20 November 22 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for everyone’s help, I really appreciate it