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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 October 22 21:03 BST (UK) »
From what you found, hmcc. Some additional children included here www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mitchell-6920

Farm still there isn't it www.geograph.org.uk/browser/#!/q=barstobrick+farm

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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 October 22 21:43 BST (UK) »
Yes Barstobrick farm is still there MonicaL.
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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 October 22 07:12 BST (UK) »
I was editing title and must have changed to MILLER but it is MITCHELL. I feel dumb.

Still can't find anything about his parents.

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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 October 22 07:32 BST (UK) »
Colin, it is on someone's family tree the year. I have found no actual baptism for him.


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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 October 22 10:08 BST (UK) »
This tree on Ancestry.
   
Spouse   Catherine McMeekin
Father   Samuell Mitchell
Mother   Elizabeth Kerr
Children   12
   James Mitchell
Birth   15 Apr 1786 Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Death   9 Feb 1836 Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland


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JAMES   SAMUEL MITCHEL/ELIZABETH KERR    Baptism    08/05/1786   Troqueer

Seems unlikely to me, it will need checking out.

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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 October 22 12:09 BST (UK) »
Definitely needs checking

(1) Troqueer and Tongland are separate and therefore mutually exclusive parishes
(2) The recorded children of James Mitchell and Catherine McMeekin are Mary 1811, Hugh 1813, James 1815, Jean 1819, Isabella 1821, Andrew 1823 and Jean Carson 1825, all baptised in Tongland. No Samuel and no Elizabeth.

Wikitree also has Thomas 1817, John 1820, Elizabeth etc 1832 and Alexander 1833. Thomas 1817 would fit neatly into a gap, but there are less than two years between Jean's baptism on 28 March 1819 and Isabella's on 2 March 1821, so there is only a very small window to fit John into. 

Though there are an Elizabeth and an Alexander in the Wikitree, their birth dates of 1832 and 1833, with Catherine's DoB of 1787, mean that she was 45 and 46 when they were born. Not impossible but any birth with mother's age over 45 is open to question.

There's a tree on GENI with very similar information, including saying that James' parents were Hugh Mitchell and Isabella Thomson. Clearly either one or both of Wikitree and Geni must be wrong, though at least Geni has a plausible pair of names.

Though it introduces some interesting errors. For example, it says that Tongland is in Kincardineshire (it's actually in Kirkcudbrightshire, about as far apart as you can get and still be in Scotland). It also says that Tongland is 'near Kircudbright [sic], Dumfries-shire', which is just plain wrong. It has Hugh born in Aberdeenshire, and John in 'Dumfries and Galloway' which was a local authority region not created until 1975 - a mere 155 years after he was born.

I also note with interest that both Wikitree and Geni say that Elizabeth Agnes Maitland Mitchell died in 1912. Wikitree doesn't know where, but has a link to the New South Wales BMD web site. Geni says in Bundarra, New South Wales. There is a death of Elizabeth A M Rowlandson, father's name James, no mother listed, in Bundarra in 1912.
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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 October 22 12:24 BST (UK) »
That's why I am so confused. All this strange 'info". Where does it come from. And how do we get the right info with such wrong info around

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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 23 October 22 12:37 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately there is a risk that some of the information came from people who were less meticulous than they might have been with their research. The errors in the places in the Geni tree do suggest that that was someone who was, to say the least, careless with their geography.

Online trees, especially on commercial web sites like Ancestry and Geni, are handy for suggesting what to look for, but they are absolutely not to be trusted.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

Which of the Mitchell children are you descended from? And do you have documentary evidence for every link, or are some of them assumed?


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Re: Please help find parents of JAMES MILLER 1787 Barstobrick farm Tongland
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 October 22 13:53 BST (UK) »
Headstones for James and Catherine at Tongland Kirkyard and also son Hugh.
http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/tongland/
That Hugh Mitchell is not their son. According to his death certificate his mother's maiden surname was Pagan, not McMeekin.

So he is the son of John Mitchell and Elizabeth Pagan, baptised 30 November 1813 in Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbrightshire.

John M and Elizabeth P had James 1792, Mary 1795, Thomas 1797, Elizabeth McGo... 1799, Thomas Gordon 1802, Kathrine Sloan 1803, Robert Sloan 1805, William 1808, Hugh 1813 and Elizabeth Finlay 1814.

Hugh and family are at various addresses in Tongland in the census from 1851 to 1881; in 1871 he is at the same address where James M and Catherine McM's son James was living with his wife and family in 1851.

Could his father John possibly have been a relative of James M who was allegedly born in 1787?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.