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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 November 22 21:02 GMT (UK) »
1881 census at Berwick-upon-Tweed said Elizabeth was born about 1834 in Berwickshire, Scotland but doesn't show a precise location.

If she is the Elizabeth Brown living at Letham Cottage, Berwick, with husband John, and children Thomas, William, Jane and Elizabeth, then the original version of the 1881 census gives her birthplace as "Straud, Berwick". The rest of the family are all born "Scotland".

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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 03 November 22 21:25 GMT (UK) »
Clearly there was more than one Elizabeth Brown.  The one that I'm dealing with was shown with husband John Brown in the 1881 census at Berwick-upon-Tweed, with their children Isabella, Jane, Thomas, William, Elizabeth.  It says the wife/mother Elizabeth was born in Berwickshire but doesn't give an exact location. 

Which leaves the original question: where is "Boyude, Berwick"?  That was shown in the 1871 census at Swinton as Elizabeth's birthplace.  Unless "Boyude" was a misreading of what you say was  "Straud".  Then where is "Straud, Berwick"?



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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 03 November 22 23:21 GMT (UK) »
1851 shows her with parents William Clazie 58 b Edrom & Isabella 52 b Lady Park Berwickshire

Isabella’s mother - Elisabeth Purvis aged 94 is with them

Re birthplace - the only way to progress it is to buy credits on SP & download the actual 1871 image so you can see first hand what the entry says - not what somebody else has transcribed it as
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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 03 November 22 23:34 GMT (UK) »
I'm unrelated to the Browns.  Elizabeth Clazie - wife of John Brown - was a 2nd cousin of my great-great-grandfather, James Kerr Clezie, born 1816 at Edrom, Berwickshire. 

Incidentally, the birthplace of Elizabeth Clazie's mother, Isabella Purvis, was not "Lady Park" but "Ladykirk", Berwickshire.  A perfect example of how names get mangled after repeated copying. 

Likely "Boyude" was also the result of misreading someone's awful handwriting.  Maybe it was really Bedshiel, Bonkyl or Buxley?  Those were actual places in old Berwickshire.  Boyude apparently was not.






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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #13 on: Friday 04 November 22 13:51 GMT (UK) »
According to the FindMyPast transcription of the 1871, Elizabeth's birthplaces was Boynds, Berwickshire. That's more convincing than Boyude, but it doesn't really get us any further. It also says Stroud in 1881.

So we have the following birthplaces for Elizabeth from the census
1841: Born England
1851: Born Mordington, Berwickshire
1861: Born Berwick, England
1871: Born Boynds, Berwickshire
1881: Born Stroud, Berwickshire
1891: Born England
1901: Born England

There's a place labelled 'Bait's Cross and Strand' on the first edition six-inch map. It's just inside the parish of Berwick, quite close to Mordington Bridge. Is this Straud/Stroud?
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.7&lat=55.78775&lon=-2.07693&layers=5&b=1

The baptisms in Mordington of three siblings of Elizabeth are on Scotland's People
Robert, 13 May 1835
Charles Lillie, 17 July 1837
Agnes, 13 July 1839

Have you looked at those to see if they say where in Mordington the family was living?

Can you post an extract from the original 1871 census so we can see if we can make it out?
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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #14 on: Friday 04 November 22 18:02 GMT (UK) »

Still puzzliing over "Boyude".  Was it a misspelling, or what?

It was a transciption from a commercial co where mistakes on transcriptions very often happen.

Without looking at the original image for that census (only available on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) don't think you are likely to make headway on this... :-\

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Re: Boyude, Berwick
« Reply #15 on: Friday 04 November 22 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Replies 1, 3 & 11 all say the same -  it's the only way forward if the birthplace is that important
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