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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #9 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:17 GMT (UK) »
1881 census Little Wild St, St Giles in the Fields (my transcription)
? Thos? Vanhackovens head 31 labourer
M.Anne Vanhackovens wife 41
Wm Vanhackovens son 7 scholar
Walter Vanhackovens Son 4 scholar
Rbt Vanhackovens Son 1
-   Meakins 30 Chair maker (married lodger) – I think this is Robert Meakins
 F(rances)? Meakins Wife age?
Thos? Meakins Son 3

Yes I was thinking that Thomas Vanhackovens and Henry Whitlock could be the same person.
He was possibly named Thomas Henry, and took on the name Henry to avoid confusion with his father, Thomas. My theory - One parent was named Vanhackovens and the other was named Whitlock.

Very difficult to find much on Vanhackovens in London.
The 2 boys seem to have been in the poor school from about 1854 to 1861. Not surprising that Thomas/ Henry did not know where he was born. Possibly not born in England, but had some childhood memories of Cornhill parish in London.
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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #10 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:30 GMT (UK) »
Another child – died the same year as born
   VANHACKONENS, CAROLINE       Mother: MEAKINS 
   GRO Reference: born 1881  S Quarter in ST. GILES  Volume 01B  Page 643

And her twin, died in 1883:
VANHACKONENS, ESTHER       Mother: MEAKINS 
GRO Reference: born 1881  S Quarter in ST. GILES  Volume 01B  Page 643

And another:
VAN HACKOVENS, LUCY       Mother: MEAKINS 
GRO Reference: born 1883  D Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 626
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #11 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:35 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, repeating.

Debra  :)

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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #12 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:37 GMT (UK) »
Death for Mary Ann

VANHACKOVENS, MARY  ANN         Age 52 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 392
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #13 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:46 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann's mother was Caroline, so Henry/Thomas' might be Esther?

Debra  :)

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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #14 on: Friday 04 November 22 01:49 GMT (UK) »
Caroline and Esther were twins - Caroline death Sept.1881 and Esther death Jun.1883.

Cannot see a death for Lucy born Dec.1883 so what became of her?

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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #15 on: Friday 04 November 22 08:30 GMT (UK) »
1881 census Little Wild St, St Giles in the Fields (my transcription)
? Thos? Vanhackovens head 31 labourer
M.Anne Vanhackovens wife 41
Wm Vanhackovens son 7 scholar
Walter Vanhackovens Son 4 scholar
Rbt Vanhackovens Son 1
-   Meakins 30 Chair maker (married lodger) – I think this is Robert Meakins
 F(rances)? Meakins Wife age?
Thos? Meakins Son 3

Yes I was thinking that Thomas Vanhackovens and Henry Whitlock could be the same person.
He was possibly named Thomas Henry, and took on the name Henry to avoid confusion with his father, Thomas. My theory - One parent was named Vanhackovens and the other was named Whitlock.

Very difficult to find much on Vanhackovens in London.
The 2 boys seem to have been in the poor school from about 1854 to 1861. Not surprising that Thomas/ Henry did not know where he was born. Possibly not born in England, but had some childhood memories of Cornhill parish in London.

Thank you so much for all of this, I'm blown away. I think the Meakins that are living with the Vanhackovens are Robert and 2 of his children Fanny Elizabeth age 7 and son Thomas age 3. The other children and his first wife Frances must of died. He married his second wife Catherine Cusick in 1897. I have to agree it is possible that they changed the family name to Whitlock, as Vanhackovens may have been too difficult to pronounce/spell, it sounds like a Dutch name to me. So maybe the mariner Thomas Vanhackovens married a lady by the name of Whitlock. And our Henry Whitlock changed his name to avoid confusion with his father, if his original name was Thomas Henry.


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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #16 on: Friday 04 November 22 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Caroline and Esther were twins - Caroline death Sept.1881 and Esther death Jun.1883.

Cannot see a death for Lucy born Dec.1883 so what became of her?

Annette

Thank you Annette, that is very possible as Mary Ann had a mother named Caroline and also a younger sister.

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Re: Henry Whitlock born 1849
« Reply #17 on: Friday 04 November 22 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Another child – died the same year as born
   VANHACKONENS, CAROLINE       Mother: MEAKINS 
   GRO Reference: born 1881  S Quarter in ST. GILES  Volume 01B  Page 643

And her twin, died in 1883:
VANHACKONENS, ESTHER       Mother: MEAKINS 
GRO Reference: born 1881  S Quarter in ST. GILES  Volume 01B  Page 643

And another:
VAN HACKOVENS, LUCY       Mother: MEAKINS 
GRO Reference: born 1883  D Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 626

Mary has 2 younger sisters a Caroline who married James Serjeant and also a Esther who died as a baby 1855-1856) so she must of named the twins after her sisters.