Missing birth at Leominster

[heywood]

It is quite confusing. The baptism shows parents Charles and Ann.

There are Roberts/Goodman births in Leominster

Mira 1839
Elizabeth 1842
Henry 1844
Pemmelia 1847

These are at 1851 1981/357/4  (no Mira) with parents William and Elizabeth so are they the wrong family?

[Jebber]

Charles ROBERTS and Anne MOOR in Orleton 9 July 1823, Charles was from Elton.

They had five children Baptised in Orleton before Mira and Mary. Henry 1824, James 1826, Benjamin 1828, Sarah 1830 and  Anne 1833. Have you found all of them in the Census?

[Mhairi28]

If the 1839 record refers to Mira Roberts with the parents Roberts / Goodman it would make sense. However it would mean that neither of the girls born to Charles and Ann had been officially registered in Leominster.
So far I have not found any other births under the names of Roberts or Berry.

[Mhairi28]

Thank you, I have found the other children for Charles and Ann mn Moor. However Charles seems to disappear as far as the census records are concerned. There are several unexplained goings on with this family which I am trying to unravel.

[heywood]

William and Elizabeth’s (Goodman) daughter has been transcribed as Anne in 1851 but it is difficult to read.
1841 she is Amira so not your family and that would not be your Mira’s birth.

[Mhairi28]

Well now we have established there were two Mira Roberts, born around this time, which is a little surprising. I have found no records for 'my' Mira and Mary apart from their baptism in 1840.

In 1841 they appear to be living with an Elizabeth Roberts. This could be their aunt, but I cannot find their mother Ann. Charles is also not around although there is one recorded at Elton which might fit, although he is described as a thatcher, which does not.

In 1851 Ann reappears as a widow and servant in the Berry household. Here Mira and Mary are listed as the daughters of James Berry.

In 1861 Mira is a servant to Richard Fewtrell and living 2 doors away from Ann.
Mira Roberts marries George Fewtrell in1866 but does not record her father's name on the marriage certificate.

Her other siblings are also missing from the household in 1841 and I know Benjamin aged 12 was living in Worcestershire. He marries in 1851 and does record his father's name. It does not say Charles was deceased.

As I said, several problems to unravel.
Thank you everyone for your interest.

[Jebber]

It's quite possible that their births were not registered, it was very early in the days of registration and it's not unusual to find births were not registered.

[Mhairi28]

Yes, it would seem the most likely answer, especially as literacy was so low at this time.

On reflection and checking his marriage record I see Benjamin only 'made his mark'. Since he left home at such an early age he may not have known when his father died for the same reason.

It still seems strange that Mira didn't know her father's name even if he died when she was young.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

In 1841 they appear to be living with an Elizabeth Roberts. This could be their aunt, but I cannot find their mother Ann. Charles is also not around although there is one recorded at Elton which might fit, although he is described as a thatcher, which does not.

did you notice that immediately above Elizabeth Roberts, Mary & Mira, although marked as a different household, is James Berry ?