Henry Wray b.Jan 1847 & John Wray b.Oct 1848 Hull - did they emigrate?

[Pheno]

Hi, am just wondering what happened to these two brothers.

They were sons of Thomas Wray b. 1821 & Elizabeth Dobson b. 1822 who both died in the Hull cholera epidemic of 1849 taking one young son with them and leaving their other 4 children Elizabeth, Henry, Thomas & John as orphans.  In both 1851 & 1861 all 4 children have been taken in by other family members.  I am then able to follow both Elizabeth & Thomas throughout the rest of their lives so don't require any info on them thanks.

However, I cannot find Henry after the 1861 census (RG9/3588/53/18) anywhere. 

I had thought that after 1861 (RG9/3596/22/8) John may have been taken on as a Royal Naval Apprentice to Thomas Hambling on the Comet in 1863, but the port of registry is Glasgow (according to Ancestry documentation).

I am now chasing up a potential 2-3 cousin match at Ancestry from the US and the only overlap in the right time frame that this person has is a Thomas & Elizabeth Wray b. England as the parents of a John R Wray b. England 1854 from whom he descends. There is a John Richard Wray around but I already have him in my tree and he was born in 1825 in Hull. 

As neither the match, nor anyone else who has this John R Wray in their trees (nearly all based in the US and probably copied from one another) knows nothing more about the origin of their John R Wray, other than his parents were Thomas & Elizabeth I wondered whether this might be my missing John Wray.

I can't though find any emigration/immigration record for him (and possibly for Henry too seeing as they both disappear) and wondered if anyone else was able to?

Thanks for any help, Pheno

[AMBLY]

Hello,

Without any consultation with online trees - this is the actual details from documents.  So the John R Ray who married 1882 did name his parents as Thomas & Elizabeth - as opposed to a tree assigning him those parents without research because they seemed to "fit")

MARRIAGE 28 June 1882, Boston MA,
John R WRAY,  age 28, Painter, b England, Parents: Thomas & Elizabeth
Susie MATHER age 20, b New Brunswick, Parents: Robert & Ella

Then there is this:

CENSUS 1870 - in Boston, Suffolk, MA
Henry RAY  20, b England, Painter
John RAY 18, b England, Painter
They are two of a dozen boarders in a home, where the husband is a Store Clerk, but the wife is "Keep Boarders"

Is the the one you've been looking at?

The John Richard Wray on your tree, when and where was he born & died, and his  parents names, (for elimination purposes)

Cheers
AMBLY

[Pheno]

Thanks for replying Ambly, the info sounds promising. 

My John Richard Wray was bp 17 Jan 1825 in Hull and died 27 Aug 1885 in Camberwell, London (spent time flitting between these two places all his life).

He was a grandson of Peter Wray & Ann Johnson through their son Thomas Wray, whereas the Henry & John Wray whom I have lost were the great grandsons of Peter Wray & Ann Johnson, descent through their son Samuel (sibling to Thomas).

I rather think you may have found them in Boston, Massachusetts.

Cheers, Pheno

[Millmoor]

Possibly Henry's death. Note place of birth given as Hull.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G97R-Q9W3?i=887&cc=2061550&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFHSW-228


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-69BH-GL?i=169&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ANW31-V6X

William

[Pheno]

Thank you very much William - this certainly seems to confirm the brothers' emigration to the USA at some point between 1861 & 1871 (if only I could find a passenger list).

I will try census' beyond the 1871 census which Ambly found to see if I can follow Henry Wray further, as he might be the actual DNA connection.

Pheno

[AMBLY]

I think this is Henry, adding on from William's great find!  The name of mother on marriage is wrong - but correct on death record?

MARRIAGE 1878 - on 17 Jun 1878, Boston, Suffolk MA
Henry RAY  age 27, Resident of Boston, Labourer, b England, Parents: Thomas & Mary
Mary BUTLER age 23, b Ireland, Parents: John & Mary
1st marriage for both

DEATH 1878 on 4 Oct 1878,  Boston, Suffolk MA
John WRAY, age 5 days, Prem Birth, of 37 Rochester St, Parents: Henry b, England. Mary b Ireland

DEATH 1879 on 6 Aug 1879,  Boston, Suffolk MA
James J WRAY, age 3 days, Convulsions, of 12 Viral Pl, Parents: Henry b, England. Mary b Ireland

CENSUS 1880 - At 14 Genesee Street, Boston, Suffolk MA
Henry WRAY 28, Painter, b England (parents b England)
Wife: Mary Wray 20, Keeps House, b Ireland (parents b Ireland)

DEATH 1881 - At 14 Genesee Street,Boston, Suffolk, MA
Mary Butler WRAY, age 26, of 14 Genesee, b Ireland, parents John & Margaret,  born Ireland
Died 19 Feb 1891
CoD: Confinement Collapse

DEATH 1889 - Boston Massachusetts
Henry WRAY, age 40, W(widower), of  12 Newton "BD", Painter, b England. Father: Thomas. Mother: Elizabeth
Died 30 Apr 1889
Cod: Accidental

Sadly looks like Henry left no descendants. The spotlight for the DNA connection returns to John R perhaps.

Just to mention, over years I have come across quite a number of people - especially males - who sprout a middle initial after immigrating to America, when they never had a middle name prior.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

John R WRAY, is notably absent from the 1900 US Census ( well, I can't see him    - which is a shame as it might have given Birth information, immigration information to work with.  I can't find him or wife Susie - nor in Canada 1901 ?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Pheno]

Thanks for your help - will pick this up a bit later.

Pheno

[*Sandra*]

The daughter of John and Susie - Beatrice was in Canada on the 1901 census. Chatham. Northumberland. New Brunswick.

Beatrice Mauther born 26 May 1890 - birth place down as Bistwere, US -  which i think should be Boston. Aged 10 years - grandchild. Staying with Robert 73 years and Ellen Mather 75 years.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHKH-T1N

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/MSCJ-ZN9

Married Carroll Clark Gleason 29 October 1917 Boston Suffolk Massachusetts.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KB83-R75

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YLQ-YDK?i=507&cc=1928860

pedigree file with photograph - Beatrice Faythe Wray

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/L5K7-1BD

Obit - husband of Beatrice

The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts
9 Jul 1947, Wed    Page 18

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/112936275/obituary-for-carroll-c/

Obit Beatrice Wray Gleason - died 6 May 1956 -  - Boston Herald 8 May 1956

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPB8-Q88R

Sandra