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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 November 22 16:47 GMT (UK) »
The following all for “your” Jemima Adamson?  :-\

1900 Oakland, CA census
Jemima Adamson, widowed, Nurse, r 1457 Broadway
  Daniel, printer

1897 City Directory, Oakland, CA
Mrs. Jemima Adamson, 1457 Broadway
Danl P, same address, Pressman, Carruth & Carruth

1891 City Directory, Oakland, CA
Mrs. Jemima Adamson, Domestic, 541 Frederick
Daniel Adamson, r cor Seventeenth & Telegraph Ave, apprentice, Carruth & Carruth

1888 City Directory, Oakland, CA
Mrs. Jemima Adamson, res 318 Durant

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1887 City Directory, Oakland, CA
Mrs. J Adamson, domestic, res 318 Durant
    https://archive.org/details/oaklandalamedabe1887hust/page/116/mode/2up
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 November 22 19:10 GMT (UK) »
I have not looked at the previously mentioned links so the following may not be a possibility but I thought it might be worth mentioning.  Apologies if I am misleading others.

After a very brief search, I have not found Roland (H?) Adamson in Canada or America.
  Was Daniel’s father really Roland?  Was Roland’s surname really Adamson?  Was Roland really born in Canada?

1900 Oakland, California Census
Jemima Adamson (wid), born October 1849, Scotland, Nurse, immigrated 1873
  Daniel Adamson, born February 1876, New York

Passenger List
The California sailed from Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland, arrived 25 Sep 1873, New York, New York
Jemima Adrianson [Jemima Adamson], Scottish, age 22, born c1851
No occupation listed


I am trying to help an elderly gentleman with his research. He is looking to find any information on his Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother.

Possible name of Roland or Rowland Adamson who was a printer, born in Canada with Scottish roots. His Great Grandmother was Jemima Rodgers or Rogers who was born around 1849 in Dalkeith, Scotland…

An online tree states Jemima’s father was David Adamson and mother was Agnes/Ann Rogers (various spellings for Rogers).  This would support the 1873 arrival of Jemima Adamson.

I wonder if Patterson was a family name from Jemima’s side, or is it possible that Daniel’s father was Roland Patterson.  Not to insult anyone, but Daniel Patterson Adamson is an awkward name - it seems that Patterson might have been an important name at some point?
[Perhaps I’m just sensitive about how full names sound as my mum didn’t use a crystal ball when naming me  ;) - my middle name “clashes” with my married name.  I try to avoid telling people my full name as it sounds like I’m repeating myself.]

I’ve been interrupted several times since starting this post.  I may add more later, once I have time to concentrate.  ;)
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 November 22 00:55 GMT (UK) »
…A possible 1880 census East front Plainfield, Union, New Jersey.

House keeper for Augustus Girand - aged 74 years - Physician.

Jemima Adamson - born 1852 Scotland. Aged 28 years - single - house-keeper. parents born Scotland…

Sandra

The 1880 census with Jemima was enumerated on 4 June 1880.

Sadly, Augustus J. T. Giraud died 28 June 1880.  His will/probate records can be found on Anc*try.
Among others, Jemima Adamson received $73.87 (possibly for wages owed to her?)
The “final account” was filed September 14, 1882.  Perhaps Jemima was still in Plainfield in 1882.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 November 22 12:08 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 10 November 22 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Must admit Lisa, I am beginning to wonder if Jemima was never married  :-\
Food for thought anyway..............:-\

1851 Scotland Census  High Street, Dalkeith, Midlothian.

David Adamson   60
Mary Adamson   21
David Adamson   17
Catherin Adamson   12
Mitchel Adamson   6
Jemmah Adamson   3

1841 census Macmerry East Lothian.

David Adamson  40
Ann Adamson 30
Mary Adamson 11
Agnes Adamson 9
David Adamson 7
Isabella Adamson 4
Catharine Adamson   2

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 10 November 22 12:24 GMT (UK) »


1861 census    1 Cheyne Street Edinburgh Midlothian.

Robert C T Mack
37   Head
Agnes Mack 29   Wife (sister of Jemima shown on 1841 census with parents)
Robert Mack 9 Months   Son
Agnes Mack 2   Daughter
Jemima Adamson   12   Sister-in-law

Sister Agnes married Robert Charles Frederick Mack in 1858

Agnes Adamson - Marriage Date 4 Jun 1858
Marriage Place:   Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland.
Spouse Robert Charles Frederick Mack

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 November 22 00:19 GMT (UK) »
I am so sorry for my late response. All your hard work is amazing and I'm trying to absorb all this information. This gentleman I am trying to help is 90 years old and through DNA which I don't understand at all we are 4-6th cousins. As well as helping him I'm trying to find our connection but not sure how to go about this. He has tried for years to find out the name of his Great Grandfather. I found a social security number for the US for his Grandfather Daniel P. Adamson where his Father's name is listed as Roland H. Adamson and his Mother Jemima Rodgers. At first I thought okay here is his Great Grandfather's name, let's find him. On US census reports it states his Father (Roland) was Canadian, but I couldn't find a DOB or where in Canada he was supposedly born.

I was advised by this gentleman, that Jemima arrived from Scotland in 1873 arriving in New York. While in New York she met Rolland Adamson, a printer and married him.  Rolland died before Daniel Patterson Adamson was born on 11 Nov 1876. Jemima also advised Rolland was Canadian of Scottish decent.

So from 1873 to 1876 is when I want to look for a marriage record if in fact they did marry. What year did Rolland emigrate from Canada to the US and when and where did he die if they were still in NY.
As one person mentioned it is possible there was no marriage and the circumstances of Jemima's pregnancy may have not been a pleasant experience.

I did find a 1880 census from Co. Richmond NY, Staten Island that was a Nursery & Children's Hospital with a long list of children's names. There is a Daniel P. Adamson 4 years so I'm wondering if if was abandoned as Jemima couldn't look after him.

Thank you everyone for you hard work and time spent helping me. You are so kind and it is very much appreciated. If anyone knows where I can find a "understanding DNA for dummies" version out there please suggest as I need to see how my ancestors are connected to his and maybe that will help us solve this mystery.

Again sincerest thanks,


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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 11 November 22 02:36 GMT (UK) »
I am so sorry for my late response.

No worries; for some reason, little things like sleeping, eating, spending time with family, working, etc. are a higher priority than genealogy.   ;D

…He has tried for years to find out the name of his Great Grandfather. I found a social security number for the US for his Grandfather Daniel P. Adamson where his Father's name is listed as Roland H. Adamson and his Mother Jemima Rodgers…On US census reports it states his Father (Roland) was Canadian, but I couldn't find a DOB or where in Canada he was supposedly born.

  As mentioned, we have not yet found Roland(using various spellings) Adamson or Patterson.  I’ve also not yet found a Roland, born in a Canada, printer, in New York c1875.  However, I’ve only used the Anc*try website and I’m not too familiar with New York records.

I was advised by this gentleman, that Jemima arrived from Scotland in 1873 arriving in New York. While in New York she met Rolland Adamson, a printer and married him.  Rolland died before Daniel Patterson Adamson was born on 11 Nov 1876. Jemima also advised Rolland was Canadian of Scottish decent.

   Jemima may have known about his birthplace but are the facts true/did Roland provide accurate information?  :-\ Does he know where family members obtained their facts?  (From census records, death records, etc. or from family members who passed down information.)  Also, any additional little facts that he can provide may be very useful for us.

So from 1873 to 1876 is when I want to look for a marriage record if in fact they did marry. What year did Rolland emigrate from Canada to the US and when and where did he die if they were still in NY. As one person mentioned it is possible there was no marriage and the circumstances of Jemima's pregnancy may have not been a pleasant experience.

   There may not be a border crossing record for the timeframe.  Thank you for the added information about Roland’s possible death.  We can start to concentrate on that time period.  However, if there were a few untruths, it is also possible that Roland and Jemima went their separate ways.

I did find a 1880 census from Co. Richmond NY, Staten Island that was a Nursery & Children's Hospital with a long list of children's names. There is a Daniel P. Adamson 4 years so I'm wondering if if was abandoned as Jemima couldn't look after him.

  I wonder if there might be any old records from the hospital that might provide some clues as to why Daniel was there and possibly list his parents’ information?  He may not have been abandoned; I wonder if Jemima found employment (1880 census) through the hospital management or if Dr. Augustus (1880 census) suggested the hospital?

Thank you everyone for you hard work and time spent helping me. You are so kind and it is very much appreciated. If anyone knows where I can find a "understanding DNA for dummies" version out there please suggest as I need to see how my ancestors are connected to his and maybe that will help us solve this mystery…

You are very welcome!  If you find a DNA for Dummies please let me know.   ;D  I still have difficulty grasping some (a lot) of DNA details.  Have you read any posts in the DNA forum on RootsChat?  Posters receive brilliant help; I try to read a few posts when I have time, hoping to learn more.  I’m not done searching for the Adamsons and I’m fairly sure Sandra isn’t done as well.  cath151 “started the ball rolling” with her discovery. 

Regarding DNA, without getting into explaining details about how DNA is passed down (that I might muddle up), does he know the percentage for Scotland?  Is it rather high or minimal?  Do you have access to the trees for Daniel Patterson Adamson?  If so, are any surnames familiar to your families?

Added: are the Scottish details that Sandra found familiar to you?

Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: Adamson/Rodgers connection?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 November 22 03:07 GMT (UK) »
…Jemima Rodgers or Rogers who was born around 1849 in Dalkeith, Scotland. Not sure if they married or were in fact married in Canada…

How does he know Jemima’s exact birthplace?  If she was born in Dalkeith, perhaps her father was David Adamson.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)