Trying to find a mill in Llantwitfadre

[louisem]

I have a death certificate for my 3rd g grandfather Charles Mars. He died in a mill accident on Nov 19th 1856. The death certificate under the date of death says Llantwitfadre, Pontypridd. The cause of death says ‘crushed by the water wheel of the flour mill’. I have found just one newspaper report (I can’t find any in the Wales newspapers online but found one on Find My Past). This says he died at Mr Williams mill in Pontypridd.
I wondered if anyone has any ideas re the location of the mill.
Thank you very much.

[maddys52]

There is a corn mill shown here just south of Llantwit Fadre on this 1872 map. Not sure if it's the one referred to. I can't see another flour mill in the area, though it may appear on an earlier map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102342583

[heddwch]

Hello
Do contact Pontypridd library they are very helpful
Genuki   1858 
Corn & Flour Dealers
Jones John D. (corn and provision merchant), Pont y Pridd
Morgan Daniel, Pont y Pridd
Williams Ebenezer, Pont y Pridd

ps Pontypridd was originally named as New Bridge

Best wishes
Heddwch

[louisem]

Thank you very much for this

There is a corn mill shown here just south of Llantwit Fadre on this 1872 map. Not sure if it's the one referred to. I can't see another flour mill in the area, though it may appear on an earlier map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102342583

[Sam Swift]

I came across a couple of mills in while recently looking for a different one, but with a similar tragic accidental death. Looking at the newspaper report, Charles Mars's death is listed under a heading "Pontypridd." I would say therefore that this is where you need to look rather than Llantwit Fardre. There was a Mathew Williams who had been a miller at Mill street, who had retired by 1851 and died in 1857 (he has a probate entry). on the Mill street is the street opposite the Butchers Arms https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1871%2F5379%2F0051&parentid=GBC%2F1871%2F0000373065

Butchers Arms On Google https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6011415,-3.3409089,3a,37.5y,140.54h,124.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s92f5-Q0T-lxZfdU7qpQI9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


In 1861 this mill would appear to be run by David Williams born 1823 (or 1826 on 1871 census). David Williams was however named as the occupier of the mill in Mill street.

In 1871 David Williams, born 1823 was the miller and corn factor of what was described as Rhondda Rd. 1871 RG10 5379 Folio 25 Page 5 Schedule 26 FindMyPast has it transcribed as Pontypridd Upper Mills, but it should be Pontypridd Upper: Mills and was next to Carmel Chapel.

For a drones eye view https://www.google.com/maps/place/Consortium+Builders/@51.6022144,-3.343806,155m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x486e17a46716594b:0x25b18988304d766d!2sMill+St,+Pontypridd!2m2!1d-3.3415169!2d51.6011457!1m6!1m2!1s0x486e10b2c113730d:0x5bf8cb4f9e7fb376!2sPontypridd!2m2!1d-3.342314!2d51.600774!3e0!3m4!1s0x486e17a50424cf8b:0xc79c0aa27334e330!8m2!3d51.6020142!4d-3.3438258




I would say that what would seem to be 2 mills on the earlier censuses were in fact the same mill, and this seems to be suggested by the 1901 census. There is no mill marked on Scotland old maps, but current day Rhondda Rd and Mill street join by the traffic lights and before the viaduct was enlarged, may have been the same street (see description of area in which includes the viaduct and probably mill https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/34861?term=mill%20street%2C%20pontypridd). It also names Millfield car park and shows Plas Carmel - which is where chapel listed on the 1871 census would have been

1901 shows David Williams at The Mill, listed between Mill st followed by Mill Field (Van) and Rhondda then Rd : Piece 5002 Folio185 Page number 31

[louisem]

Thank you so much for such a comprehensive answer. I will have a good look later this evening but that sounds very likely to me. It’s so interesting to me that he came to South Wales at that point as his daughter (my 2nd G Grandmother) later ended up moving to Cardiff after she married. I will have a look around the censuses to see if there are any other Devon folk nearby who may have been friends or relations.

Thanks again, so interesting

Louise

 

I came across a couple of mills in while recently looking for a different one, but with a similar tragic accidental death. Looking at the newspaper report, Charles Mars's death is listed under a heading "Pontypridd." I would say therefore that this is where you need to look rather than Llantwit Fardre. There was a Mathew Williams who had been a miller at Mill street, who had retired by 1851 and died in 1857 (he has a probate entry). on the Mill street is the street opposite the Butchers Arms https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1871%2F5379%2F0051&parentid=GBC%2F1871%2F0000373065

Butchers Arms On Google https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6011415,-3.3409089,3a,37.5y,140.54h,124.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s92f5-Q0T-lxZfdU7qpQI9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


In 1861 this mill would appear to be run by David Williams born 1823 (or 1826 on 1871 census). David Williams was however named as the occupier of the mill in Mill street.

In 1871 David Williams, born 1823 was the miller and corn factor of what was described as Rhondda Rd. 1871 RG10 5379 Folio 25 Page 5 Schedule 26 FindMyPast has it transcribed as Pontypridd Upper Mills, but it should be Pontypridd Upper: Mills and was next to Carmel Chapel.

For a drones eye view https://www.google.com/maps/place/Consortium+Builders/@51.6022144,-3.343806,155m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m22!1m16!4m15!1m6!1m2!1s0x486e17a46716594b:0x25b18988304d766d!2sMill+St,+Pontypridd!2m2!1d-3.3415169!2d51.6011457!1m6!1m2!1s0x486e10b2c113730d:0x5bf8cb4f9e7fb376!2sPontypridd!2m2!1d-3.342314!2d51.600774!3e0!3m4!1s0x486e17a50424cf8b:0xc79c0aa27334e330!8m2!3d51.6020142!4d-3.3438258




I would say that what would seem to be 2 mills on the earlier censuses were in fact the same mill, and this seems to be suggested by the 1901 census. There is no mill marked on Scotland old maps, but current day Rhondda Rd and Mill street join by the traffic lights and before the viaduct was enlarged, may have been the same street (see description of area in which includes the viaduct and probably mill https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/34861?term=mill%20street%2C%20pontypridd). It also names Millfield car park and shows Plas Carmel - which is where chapel listed on the 1871 census would have been

1901 shows David Williams at The Mill, listed between Mill st followed by Mill Field (Van) and Rhondda then Rd : Piece 5002 Folio185 Page number 31

[GinaS]

I've a Charles Mars (ggg grandad) in my tree, he disappeared from Devon around 1856 and I'm wondering if this is the same Charles. He left children and a wife behind, he may have moved for employment as this wasn't unusual at that time.