Arms born by substitutes at Musters c C14th

[RobertHauteville]

If the holders of Knights fee were summoned to a muster but for whatever reason couldn't, or didn't want to, and found a neighbour who was willing to go in their place what arms would the neighbour carry? Their own or the arms of the Knight Fee they were representing?

As a personal observation I have found many families bearing their next door neighbours arms in Burkes GA etc and the only explanation I can think of is that they were acting as "substitutes" and carried the arms of the manor they were being paid to represent.

[Kiltpin]

When dealing with historical heraldry, there are two words to remember - Time and Place. That is to say, when was this happening and where was it happening.

As to the knights, they would always bear their own shield. There were penalties for using somebody else's coat armour, which might include death! 

Please give examples from the GA that you have found. 

Regards 

Chas

[Rosinish]

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Annie

[RobertHauteville]

That is to say, when was this happening and where was it happening.

When = as per thread title 14th Century ie 1300s so PRE-COLLEGE OF ARMS.
Where = Britain.

As to the knights, they would always bear their own shield. There were penalties for using somebody else's coat armour, which might include death! 

No they didn't. What pre-College of Arms rule are you referring to?

[KGarrad]

Different rules and practices existed in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Can you be more specific re place and names?

[MaecW]

"As a personal observation I have found many families bearing their next door neighbours arms in Burkes GA etc and the only explanation I can think of is that they were acting as "substitutes" and carried the arms of the manor they were being paid to represent."
Like Kiltpin I am puzzled by your question. Can you give us some examples to illustrate the situation you describe ? And how you know that the the people concerned were neighbours ?
I would also suggest that you do not place too much reliance on Burke's GA as it is notorious for its inaccuracies.
Maec