Parents of Annie Harris

[wivenhoe]

Which one died before 1911?

I am not seeing a birth/baptism/marriage/death for Queenie ALLDRED.

[ghallen]

I'm not sure, the only ones I've been able to find death dates for are George J (1963) and Arthur (1956).
I'm reasonably sure Emma also went by Emmie and married Henry Pelham Spencer in 1909.
I can't find the record for Queenie either. Possible she was registered under another name?

[Neale1961]

A possibility …….
George HARRIS born Portsea abt 1838 . He was a sailor – he signed up for service in the navy in July 1860.
He married widow Margaretta GIFFORD (nee WEBB) in 1866 Portsea. Possible death for her in 1878.

1881 census Southhampton
George HARRIS b abt 1837 Portsmouth, widower, sailor
Step-daughter Lucy Gifford 1862, Portsmouth
George Harris 14 and Margaret Harris 11

Is it possible he was the father of Annie? Maybe her birth is recorded under a different surname.

[wivenhoe]

GRO births

ALLDRED, George James   mms   HARRIS 
1881  MarQ  Fulham         Vol 01A  Page 226

ALLDRED, Alice                mms     HARRIS 
1883  SepQ   Fulham        Vol 01A  Page 272

ALLDRED, Emma              mms     HARRIS 
1885  MarQ  Fuham          Vol 01A  Page 213

ALLDRED, Arthur              mms     HARRIS 
1887  MarQ  Brentford      Vol 03A  Page 110

ALLDRED, Annie               mms       HARRIS 
1888  SepQ  Brentford      Vol 03A  Page 117

ALLDRED, Fred                 mms       HARRIS 
1893  DecQ   Brentford     Vol 03A  Page 111

ALLDRED, Kate                 mms        HARRIS 
1895  SepQ    Brentford   Vol 03A  Page 125

[wivenhoe]

If Annie HARRIS is your great great grandmother...then you are descended through........... which son or daughter?

Which ALLDRED is your great grandparent?

[ghallen]

George James is my great grandfather

[brigidmac]

So it's Alice who's missing off 1911 census

So we can fotget the George Thomas Harris with wife GRIFFITHS. Theory

If the other theory is correct you may find DNA links with WeBB. + GIFFORD . Names on their trees

Can you do a name search for your matches

There's still single mother theory too

[brigidmac]

Great find Neale

1) Need to find that family in 1871 and see if they have an Annie with them

2) Queenie can be a nickname for several first names so look for a baptism or birth for female child and parents names and correct year .leave child's name blank

3) I can help with working out DNA links ..read some of the topics on the DNA forum and find  how they succeeded
What is your highest match amount on the Aldredd side of your family
Harris is a common name so make sure you are looking for matches to your correct parent before doing a name search

Can you colour code the matches that link to   George  Aldredd senior . & His wife
So you can eliminate the matches to them from the Harris side ( Harris + ?)

[softly softly]

Info only based on Neales1961 findings.

WAY, MARGARETTA  WEBB     -  No mmn
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION  Volume 07

1st Marriage

25.12.1860 St George Bloomsbury

Joseph Gifford full age Case maker--father John Gifford occ Carpenter
Margaretta Webb "Minor" father John Webb  occc Naval Instructor

1861 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M75X-QBQ

Birth

GIFFORD, LUCY  MARTHA     WEBB 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 370

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George HARRIS born Portsea abt 1838 . He was a sailor – he signed up for service in the navy in July 1860.

1861 possible

Name:   George Harris
Age:   24
Estimated Birth Year:   1837
Relation:   A B (Seaman)
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil parish:   Vessels
Town:   Aden
County/Island:   Royal Navy
Country:   England
Registration district:   Royal Navy
Sub-registration district:   Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel:   Hornet
Household schedule number:   1
Piece:   4436
Folio:   146
Page number:   4

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He married widow Margaretta GIFFORD (nee WEBB) in 1866 Portsea. Possible death for her in 1878.
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2 births re 1881 census

HARRIS, GEORGE  WILLIAM     GIFFORD 
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON  Volume 02C  Page 22

HARRIS, MARGARETTA       WEBB 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON  Volume 02C  Page 52

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1871 census ref 1208 118 15, Harriss on Anc*  No Annie

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John

Added: pre 1st marriage to Joseph Gifford in 1860  ??

WEBB, ANN       WEBB 
GRO Reference: 1858  D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 361

Can anyone view this image on FindMyPast to eliminate

Webb
Ann
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1859
Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms
Portsmouth, St Thomas, Hampshire, England