Searching for birth record

[heywood]

From published trees

Marriage 1863, Cavan
Robert G Graham and Margaret Harvey
Father Wm Graham, Shopkeeper.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1863/09646/5498300.pdf

Thanks for the link to the marriage record. Just to check I have read the place names correctly ... do you think the record says their marriage was solemnised at Kildallan Church in the Parish of Kildallan in the County of Cavan?

Yes, Kildallan, Church if Ireland.
As you see, Robert shows Blackrock as his residence but none shown for Margaret.
However, her father is John Harvey, a Farmer.
Griffiths Valuation shows a John Harvey, in the townland of Cornacrum, parish of Kildallan.

https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhunco/kildallan/bilberry/cornacrum/

More information here if you want it re G V.

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rzf/

[TuTuTulip]

Great — thank you for confirming the place names, heywood — really appreciated the link to the map, also. Thanks for your help!

[heywood]

I am unsure re the information about William.
The father of Robert, in the marriage is a Grocer.

The father of Charlotte is a coach builder.

There is a death for John Brownell (aghadowey’s earlier post) in 1900, Dublin.

There is an immigration record for Mrs C Brownell, 4r yrs with Miss F C Brownell, 6 yrs to Wellington, N Z.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDJ-KTPC

Perhaps that could be explored.

[wivenhoe]

NZ BDM   https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
1872/7910  GRAHAM William  marr.     McFADDEN Sarah

births
1873/31133   Graham   Edith Mary   Sarah    ps Sarah / William John   
1875/13588   Graham   Frederick William    ps Sarah / William John      
1877/15358   Graham   Sarah Ellen            ps Sarah / William John       
1878/16769   Graham   Walter Henry          ps Sarah / William John      
1880/13602   Graham   George Edgar         ps Sarah / William John      
1883/11324   Graham   Jonathan               ps Sarah / William John   
1888/13963   Graham   Maria               ps Sarah / William John   
1889/13034   Graham   Adeline               ps Sarah / William John   
1894/5013   Graham   Alfred Edwin          ps Sarah / William John      


WW1 NZ enlistment
GRAHAM Jonathan   b. 29 Apr 1883 Dannevirke              enlisted 22 Aug 1916  #30476
NOK Miss Adeline GRAHAM (sister ) Guy St Dannevirke
Jonathan GRAHAM is 6 feet tall....well above average for the times

GRAHAM Frederick William   b. 25 Aug 1875 Napier         enlisted 19 Feb 1917 #59359
Father: William John GRAHAM born Ireland, 50 years in NZ
Mother: Sarah GRAHAM  born Ireland,         50 tears in NZ   
5 feet 9 inches, Methodist
How long have your parents been resident in NZ........father (dec)  32 years   at 24 May 1917
NOK Miss A GRAHAM (sister) Guy Street Dannevirke.         



GRAHAM Edgar George      b. 30 Aug 1880  Napier        enlisted 10 Sep 1917   #82641
NOK Mrs S GRAHAM, Guy Street Dannevirke
Father: William John GRAHAM born Ireland, 45 years in NZ*
Mother: Sarah GRAHAM  born Ireland                "             *

(*several pages on this same information repeated with 40 years in NZ)
Edgar George GRAHAM is 6 feet tall....well above average for the times

The GRAHAM sons are tall which might be useful to know when considering other family.  The times given for years in NZ of parents look like guestimates, but Frederick William GRAHAM, shortly after the death of his father has reason to give a specific time....32 years.

Daily Southern Cross  15 Jun 1867  p1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18670615.2.2.3?
R G GRAHAM of Black Rock County Dublin Ireland send your address to W J GRAHAM, Post Office Auckland.

This marriage certificate would be useful for your research. Witnesses might lead to family connections.
1872/7910  GRAHAM William  marr.     McFADDEN Sarah

What certificate do you have for BDM events in the lives of people you are researching?

Ancestry NZ Electoral Roll  1867
GRAHAM Robert Grier    Centre  St Auckland West

[TuTuTulip]

I am unsure re the information about William.
The father of Robert, in the marriage is a Grocer.

The father of Charlotte is a coach builder.

Hmmm ... thanks ... I will look a bit more into that one. Thank you also for the link to the immigration record — perhaps there is a link between Charlotte and William John Graham.

[heywood]

William Graham died 1875- at Town Hall, Blackrock, and was married so there should also be a registration for wife's death-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020615/7233110.pdf

May be a co-incidence but a Charlotte Jane Graham married Jan.1876 to John Henry Brownell. Her father listed as William Graham (coach builder) and one of the witnesses a Richard Warren-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11158/8087513.pdf

There is a newspaper snippet - 29th March 1866 The Evening Freeman, Dublin and also Saunders Newsletter, Dublin.

‘ William Graham was appointed yard clerk at 12s. per week, with a house. ’

There is also one in 1875 re the appointment of a new yard clerk on the death of William.

This is connected to Charlotte’s marriage and her informing the death.