Bagthope Mystery

[Rudi77]

Hi All,
New to Rootschat but several years into personal family tree research.

Sadly on my Dad's side I have a brickwall which i've been unsuccessful in breaking down.

We believe his Dad (my grandad) was adopted, or 'taken in' by a couple in their 40's\50's back in 1903.
The Head of the Household in 1911 was James Richard Fuller, born Lambeth and his wife Elizabeth Ann (Anthony)
The Census document stated James R Fuller was Uncle of my Grandad Herbert.
Birthplace was stated simply as Nottingham.

The 1921 Census then has Herbert living with Samuel and Elizabeth Spooner. However this time his birthplace is recorded as simply Bagthorpe.

We know Herbert's Birthdate - 19 Nov 1903
and his baptism - 01 Jun 1904 at st george, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

However I cannot find any records of a Herbert born in Nottinghamshire on that date.

I rang the Nottm City Council archives and they drew a blank, stating it was unusual for them not to be able to find a birth record.

I also spent time at the Archives going through some of the birth records for the Bagthorpe infirmary but couldnt find anything for that date above.

Does anyone have better access to birth records at Bagthorpe infirmary?

Or should the search take me to Bagthorpe Village in North Notts? If so where do I go to search for birth records in that area?

Appreciate any help, thanks

[CaroleW]

Welcome to Rootschat

What was Herbert’s surname?

What parental info is shown on the 1904 baptism?

[crisane]

Is your grandfather on the 1939 register as Fuller?

[CaroleW]

1911 is Alfred Richard Fuller - not James Richard.  Ancestry have them indexed as Tuller

Alfred R 60 b Lambeth London
Elizabeth  Ann 50 b Notts
Herbert 7 b Notts

The relationship would appear to be on Elizabeths side

[CaroleW]

Alfred & Elizabeth only married in 1902.  Alfred was a widower & Elizabeth was a spinster

[Rudi77]

Thank you for the replies

The Parental info on the baptism copy I have are Alfred Richard and Elizabeth Ann Fuller. 1st June 1904.
Alleged DOB of Herbert is 19th Nov 1903.

Apologies for mixing up my original Post on here. Alfred Richard Fuller is indeed the potential Father or Uncle of Herbert.

1911 states Alfred is the Uncle of Herbert which is where my head is in a spin. Plus Alfred and Elizabeth's ages seem very old to have had a child.

I believe Alfred Richard Fuller was lodging in Nottingham for a number of years prior to 1903 as his name appears in a couple of previous census

I'm prepared to believe Herbert's DOB and first name are correct and something to search against.
I still believe Alfred and Elizabeth were just adoption parents.
However I havent delved into Elizabeth's past yet

appreciate the help

[Rudi77]

Is your grandfather on the 1939 register as Fuller?

Yes correct, living in Nottingham at the time

[amondg]

Nothing to do with Herbert, but I was checking newspapers and found the following.

Nottinghamshire Guardian 12 November 1875 
Long article paraphrased.

22 Briar Street home of Henry Anthony who was known to keep gunpowder (legally) went to get some to sell. Explosion occurred killing Henry and two of his sons, William age 12 and Levi age 10.
Son John was badly injured and so was his wife Fanny - cuts from flying glass etc. There was an inquest into their deaths, verdict was they died due to the explosion of gunpowder kept improperly  by Henry Anthony and used for blasting.

[amondg]

Nottinghamshire Guardian 1 August 1873
Henry Anthony of Briar Street, Wilford was charged with having  a larger amount of gun powder than allowed by law, he was fined for the offense.