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Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« on: Wednesday 21 December 22 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Hello!

Can anyone help identify a place. My GG grandfather was born in about 1861 in a place he described in the 1921 Census (taken in Scotland) as Drumilgardner CO Derry.

In previous censuses he only ever answered to where born: as Ireland.

Am i right in thinking he meant Drumagarner? I know it appears only to be a church now but looking through older records from links on this site it seems many people are from Drumagarner.

His name is Hugh Mooney he lists on death certificate and wedding certificate his father as James Mooney; Farmer.
His mother has Elizabeth (Or Bridget) Mooney nee Kane.

I cant seem to find any records for the parents.

A lady I am related to on Ancestry has the same details on her GG Grandmothers death cert. She is Jane Mooney (Hughs sister) and has her place of birth as Killygullib which i know is right next to Drumagarner church.

They were all Catholics if that is any help!

Any pointers gratefully appreciated.


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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 December 22 05:42 GMT (UK) »
Drumagarnet is a townland, as is Killygullib
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/tamlaght-ocrilly/hervey-hill/drumagarner/
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/tamlaght-ocrilly/hervey-hill/killygullib-glebe/

A townland is the smallest land division in Ireland and very useful for family research so you are very lucky to have the names.
There are quite a few people living in both townlands in 1901 including Bridget Mooney aged 97 in Killygullib
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Hervey_Hill/Killygullib_Glebe/1520688/


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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 December 22 09:14 GMT (UK) »
Drumagarnet is a townland, as is Killygullib
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/tamlaght-ocrilly/hervey-hill/drumagarner/
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/tamlaght-ocrilly/hervey-hill/killygullib-glebe/

A townland is the smallest land division in Ireland and very useful for family research so you are very lucky to have the names.
There are quite a few people living in both townlands in 1901 including Bridget Mooney aged 97 in Killygullib
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Hervey_Hill/Killygullib_Glebe/1520688/

Thank you for your help! Drumagarnet as a possibility, interesting. I will attach to this message the exact screenshot of text from the census return.

Between accents and the time the recorder took to get the correct answer we ended up what you see!

Hmm, Bridget could have had other children who left. I have got to balance out the dates and child bareing ages, my Hugh was born in about 1861.


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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 December 22 10:10 GMT (UK) »
If that is the correct family in 1901, there is a death of a James Mooney aged 90 in 1897, think the informant is son James but name is difficult to read.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05867/4663151.pdf

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 December 22 20:45 GMT (UK) »
If that is the correct family in 1901, there is a death of a James Mooney aged 90 in 1897, think the informant is son James but name is difficult to read.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05867/4663151.pdf

Hello Sinann,

Thanks for that link! Yes, it does look like a James and it always seem to be the case that first son has the fathers name.

Attached is a snip from Hughs death certificate (1939). His year of birth is about 1858, i was mistaken previously.

You can see the names, I cant find Elizabeth Kane anywhere or any recording of Marriage. I looked in the old age pensions records too, maybe she was from somewhere else in Ireland.

I suppose when Hugh was born that would make the James you found dead in 1897 at 90 about 39-40 years old. His wife was possibly similar, so she could still have have a had a child.

What do you think?

Thanks.

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 December 22 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Didn't find a baptism for Hugh but did find at least 2 brothers-
Elliot Mooney, son of James & Biddy, Glebe, bapt. 1849:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/24/mode/1up

William Mooney, son of James & Biddy, Glebe, bapt. 1859:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/47/mode/1up

? https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/74/mode/1up

An earlier William Mooney of Drumagarner-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11540/8244503.pdf
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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 December 22 22:02 GMT (UK) »
In my experience farmers in Ireland married locally. They had little opportunity to marry a woman who lived any significant distance away. They were needed on the farm, most days and did their courting on foot, so you would expect Elizabeth/Bridget Kane to be local. And it is a common local name in that area. She could have come from an adjacent parish but I would expect her to have been pretty local.

Information on marriage certificates should be first hand and tends to be more reliable than that on death certificates. For that reason I’d favour Hugh’s mother being Bridget rather than Elizabeth. And I feel it likely that the Bridget still alive in 1901 is his mother (and son James his brother). She was born in Co Derry according to the census. She might have been 97 but who knows? (I am sure she didn’t).  Could be out by 10 years or more. Ages can be pretty dodgy in Irish censuses and death records but if James was born around 1807, it’s possible he married before 1846 which is when the local RC marriage records (Greenlough RC parish).

Greenlough RC graveyard has a splendid noticeboard, listing every legible gravestone in the churchyard. Not sure if the records are on-line but you could check it for Mooney graves. Maghera Historical Society might be able to help.

This was the only probate file I could find for Mooney from Killygullib.

Mooney Michael of Killygullib county Londonderry farmer died 30 June 1929 Administration W/A Londonderry 9 September to Joseph Mooney farmer. Effects £48.

File is in PRONI in Belfast.

Elwyn