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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 December 22 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Just noticed my typo on Drumagarner, I put a t on the end. Sorry

Eldest son is usually called after the paternal grandfather, but of course that can mean the same name for each eldest son for generations, I have at least seven generations of Patrick's farming the same land.

There is a James Mooney in Griffith's Valuation in Killygullib Glebe print date 1858, there are three James Mooney listed, could be all the same man renting different plots of land or different men.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 December 22 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Had a look through the Valuation Revision Books on PRONI's website (Killygullib Glebe & Drumagarner are in the same volumes) and the name James Mooney appears in the earliest book (which continues from the printed version of Griffith's Valuation) from 1867 onwards. Note: this could be both James Mooney & his son James Mooney. At some point in the last book which covers 1910-1929 the name was changed to John Mooney. There's also a Michael Mooney from c1903-1929.

To correct an earlier typo- there's no such place as Drumagarnet it should read Drumagarner.
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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 December 22 23:07 GMT (UK) »
In the house and building return of 1901 James is listed as the Landholder
Although not at home he is still listed as the Landholder in 1911
Number 11 this time
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002811210/


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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 December 22 09:21 GMT (UK) »
In my experience farmers in Ireland married locally. They had little opportunity to marry a woman who lived any significant distance away. They were needed on the farm, most days and did their courting on foot, so you would expect Elizabeth/Bridget Kane to be local. And it is a common local name in that area. She could have come from an adjacent parish but I would expect her to have been pretty local.

Information on marriage certificates should be first hand and tends to be more reliable than that on death certificates. For that reason I’d favour Hugh’s mother being Bridget rather than Elizabeth. And I feel it likely that the Bridget still alive in 1901 is his mother (and son James his brother). She was born in Co Derry according to the census. She might have been 97 but who knows? (I am sure she didn’t).  Could be out by 10 years or more. Ages can be pretty dodgy in Irish censuses and death records but if James was born around 1807, it’s possible he married before 1846 which is when the local RC marriage records (Greenlough RC parish).

Greenlough RC graveyard has a splendid noticeboard, listing every legible gravestone in the churchyard. Not sure if the records are on-line but you could check it for Mooney graves. Maghera Historical Society might be able to help.

This was the only probate file I could find for Mooney from Killygullib.

Mooney Michael of Killygullib county Londonderry farmer died 30 June 1929 Administration W/A Londonderry 9 September to Joseph Mooney farmer. Effects £48.

File is in PRONI in Belfast.

Thank you for all that info, its helping me tie up all the bits! Before i had the records for Elizabeth i had the news paper cutting from the attachment, so her at 97 then does add up! The cutting is a death notice from 10/10/1903.

I have found the Maghera historical society on Facebook and will give them a look!

I guess all the farmers were hoping the nearby farms were not full exclusively of sons!

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 December 22 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Didn't find a baptism for Hugh but did find at least 2 brothers-
Elliot Mooney, son of James & Biddy, Glebe, bapt. 1849:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/24/mode/1up

William Mooney, son of James & Biddy, Glebe, bapt. 1859:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/47/mode/1up

? https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633026#page/74/mode/1up

An earlier William Mooney of Drumagarner-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11540/8244503.pdf

Thank you for the above and the other links in next posts. I will add the other relatives to my tree and see if Ancestry throws anything up! I would never have got the aunt etc. without your help.

Hugh appears to be elusive all i can find for him is the attached "possible" record, which would be for about the right year of birth 1857.

No mother, just his father and no sponsor and the not the same spelling for the father. Unusual for the father rather than a mother to be only one on the cert!

Possible or likely to be someone else?

Glebe as the location which i see comes up attached to other words a lot.

There is a sister Jane, born before Hugh looking at her death cert. before those microfilm dates.

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #15 on: Friday 23 December 22 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Just noticed my typo on Drumagarner, I put a t on the end. Sorry

Eldest son is usually called after the paternal grandfather, but of course that can mean the same name for each eldest son for generations, I have at least seven generations of Patrick's farming the same land.

There is a James Mooney in Griffith's Valuation in Killygullib Glebe print date 1858, there are three James Mooney listed, could be all the same man renting different plots of land or different men.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Thanks for the link. I think it could all be the same man too, with the extra children it would make sense he needed to expand.

In case people are reading this in the future i will attach Jane McReynolds Nee Mooney's death cert details from 1910 to tie them altogether.


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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #16 on: Friday 23 December 22 09:39 GMT (UK) »

Thank you for all that info, its helping me tie up all the bits! Before i had the records for Elizabeth i had the news paper cutting from the attachment, so her at 97 then does add up! The cutting is a death notice from 10/10/1903.


From GRONI https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

Bridget Mooney      1st October 1903       103      Female      Coleraine


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Mooneys of Drumagarner or Drumilgardner
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 December 22 09:44 GMT (UK) »
If that is the correct family in 1901, there is a death of a James Mooney aged 90 in 1897, think the informant is son James but name is difficult to read.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05867/4663151.pdf

This is the detail i had James as the possible father. So many James's!