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Ann Powell and David Evans
« on: Thursday 29 December 22 01:32 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for the birth of Ann Powell. She married David Evans in 1908. Their place of residence was Ystradgynlais and her father was James Powell a collier. I would like to know both parents names. Prior to her marriage a daughter Blodwen was born c1904.
Would appreciate any help.
Cheers P

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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 December 22 01:47 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked for them on the 1911 census to establish her birthyear and birthplace?  Ann Powell is a very common name in Wales

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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 December 22 03:56 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for the birth of Ann Powell. She married David Evans in 1908. Their place of residence was Ystradgynlais and her father was James Powell a collier. I would like to know both parents names. Prior to her marriage a daughter Blodwen was born c1904.
Would appreciate any help.
Cheers P

Who were the witnesses at the marriage?

Were any female relatives “ present at the births” of any of the children?

What year of birth does she give in 1921? 
(I see 1883 in 1911 but 1880 in 1939 can you please confirm)
Does she give an age at marriage?

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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 December 22 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Possible family living Llansamlet, Swansea, Glamorgan in 1881/1891. 

This Ann born 1878 Ystradgynlais, with a number of siblings.  Family back in Ystradgynlais, Breconshire in 1901, Ann not with family.

Possible birth
POWELL, ANN    mmn   HOPKINS 
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in PONTARDAWE  Volume 11A  Page 637
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Possible?
Marriages Jun Q 1874   same page
Hopkins    Jennet        Neath    11a   916   
Powell    James        Neath    11a   916    

One to follow or rule out

1881 Llansamlet
James Powell 33   Head
Janet Powell   30   Wife
Mary Powell 10   Daughter
Jane Powell 6   Daughter
Howell Powell 4   Son
Ann Powell 3   Daughter
Margaret Powell 1 Daughter, Llansamlet

1891 Llansamlet
James Powell   41   Head
Jennet Powell 39   Wife
Ann Powell 13   Daughter
Margaret Powell 11   Daughter
Jennet Powell 9   Daughter
Rees Powell 7   Son
Morgan Powell 5   Son
Gwen Powell 3   Daughter
Thomas Powell 3mths   Son

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland


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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 December 22 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Above family/birth reg looks a very good possible, from 1921 census free index. Would need to view full record for details.

Ann Evans b1878, Abercrave, Breconshire, Wales living Ystradgynlais Lower, reg district Pontardawe.

Ann, David D, Blodwen and 4 others are on this record

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Ystradgynlais

Aber-Craf/Abercrave parish was formed out of Ystradgynlais

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 December 22 10:27 GMT (UK) »
1901 for Powell family
Piece:   5063, Folio:   125, Page number:   13
Ystradgynlais

Janes Powell   52   Head
Jannet Powell 50   Wife
Jannet Powell 19   Daughter
Rees Powell 17   Son
Morgan Powell 15   Son
Gwen Powell 13   Daughter
Thomas Powell 10   Son

Mother Jennet dies 1910, James same area in 1911 with sons Morgan & Thomas.

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 January 23 02:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all of the above but I've investigated all those avenues. Will have to do some lateral thinking.
Thank you for all the replies.
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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 January 23 12:39 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 entry for Ann b 1883 Ystradgynlais has 2 children born before 1908 - Blodwen who you mention but also James b 1905/6.  GRO online shows him as James Rees Powell b 1906 - no mmn

Rees was a brother to the Ann Powell shown above & her father was James

The 3rd child Jennet could be the biggest clue as Ann Powell's mother & sister were both called Jennet as per census details above
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Re: Ann Powell and David Evans
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 January 23 13:23 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 entry for Ann b 1883 Ystradgynlais has 2 children born before 1908 - Blodwen who you mention but also James b 1905/6.  GRO online shows him as James Rees Powell b 1906 - no mmn

Rees was a brother to the Ann Powell shown above & her father was James

The 3rd child Jennet could be the biggest clue as Ann Powell's mother & sister were both called Jennet as per census details above

The poster (via PM in December) stated her Ann was born 1880 as per 1939 register and it was not her family, that Ann was likely registered under a different name in 1880.

Age is different throughout census for Ann, but she is consistent with name.  The 1921 is very likely her family which I believe connects the previous census given.

Also a birth month of late February given in 1939 would be within a 6 week period to be registered within the April - June Qtr.

There can be errors in the 1939 register for whatever reason, as have been noted by many throughout research.

Example
https://genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/11796/how-accurate-are-birth-dates-on-the-1939-register

Another clue -The marriage also has him as David D as per 1921 census index

Marriages Mar Q 1908   
POWELL    Ann        Pontardawe    11a   1245    
EVANS    David David        Pontardawe    11a   1245

Wish the poster good luck in their searches

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland