Toners Dublin

[heywood]

In your earlier post, you mention trying to get his birth certificate.
Certificates are now dealt with by HSE, I think. See here.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/civil-records


You say your father ‘ran away’ which implies a young person, I think. Also ‘forged documents’ - do you mean he just falsified names on his marriage?

I noticed that Joseph Augustine’s tree has a couple of photos. Have you looked at these to compare with the ones you have - or any other trees which might have photos?

[Dundee]

I agree that your next step would be to have another search done for his birth registration.  Someone else might know how much info you need to supply as there seems to be conflicting advice on the GRO's website.

If possible you need to just give them the surname and William TONER and Ellen STAFFORD as parents, birthplace Dublin, and years as 1921 to 1924 which is between Peter and Pauline.  It may be that all the info you have is false regarding his first names and date of birth.

This just says to supply enough information for the registers to be searched.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/cert-request(english).pdf

Debra 

[sootypea]

If possible you need to just give them the surname and William TONER and Ellen STAFFORD as parents, birthplace Dublin, and years as 1921 to 1924 which is between Peter and Pauline.  It may be that all the info you have is false regarding his first names and date of birth.

Hi, this is what I think. I do believe the name and date of birth are false. I have tried the registry office a few times. I have looked through thousands of photos on all these boards. 

[heywood]

On the positive side, your father gave you an address which has been found related to William Toner.
We know that William Toner is Catherine’s brother so that would make sense - grandfather and great aunt in your DNA.
His occupation was connected to horses too.

Could the photographs you have be dated - approximately.

I wondered if he was already married when he married your mother - hence the change of name and ‘running away’.

[Sinann]

W Toner is still putting ads in the newspapers from 3 South Summer St in 1954. I don't see any after that.

There was also a family called Lawlor (Carriers) at 3 South Summer St, who owned stables on Island Street Usher's Island. Perhaps William worked for them.

[heywood]

That rang a bell, Sinann. I had seen some Toner/Lawlor births one time.
Marriage 1920
James Toner and Margaret Lawlor (her address 3 South Summer Street)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09260/5352446.pdf

[sootypea]

I wondered if he was already married when he married your mother - hence the change of name and ‘running away’.

Marion was his first wife.

[Sinann]

That rang a bell, Sinann. I had seen some Toner/Lawlor births one time.
Marriage 1920
James Toner and Margaret Lawlor (her address 3 South Summer Street)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09260/5352446.pdf

When Christopher Lawlor died in 1930 the informant was Margaret his daughter, when I looked at it I though her surname was Toner but had doubts
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1930/04914/4333282.pdf
I was just going to post it and ask what people thought

[heywood]

There was also a brother James to William and Catherine.
Maybe Anthony Tonay was a son of James?