Edward Conlon -weaver of Tullylish-circa 1845-seeking info please

[Alan of Kaslo]

Thank you very much everyone! Really appreciated.

What threw me off was Arthur's death cert from 1919 that said he died at age 78. Now thanks to Heywood we know that he was actually born 1836 not 1841. Thankful for that info!

It fits in perfect because the name Rose reoccurs in the Conlon family for generations. To know the last name is McCarten is a definite bonus!

How do you know about Bernard being a brother as you are unsure of his death?

Brother to Edward? That was purely speculation on my part based on the repeating of the names Arthur and Bernard in the children. Or did you mean how do I know Bernard is Arthur's brother? 

If that's the case then after reviewing my notes I can't say I have any reason to believe Bernard is brother of Arthur besides ancestry telling me so. I thought I had seen a marriage for Bernard listing Edward as father but just rechecked and I have nothing. In fact I just went to ancestry DNA and the individual who it previously said was related to me through Bernard Conlon being brother to Arthur is now gone... I guess once again I was basing off of false info

Hewood: Is this the birth of daughter Rose to Arthur?

Yes, that is them. I can only think it might be a clerical error that led them to list Sally McBrinn as mother?

Thanks again everyone who commented so far. This is uncharted territory and a bunch of folks related to Edward Conlon ...and Rose McCarten will appreciate this new info.

[Alan of Kaslo]

This Rose Conlon widower who died at age 75 in 1876 is interesting... she died at Drumnascamph which is quite close to Tulllyish.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020588/7223757.pdf

It says widow of a labourer but even son Arthur was listed as weaver on his wedding cert and labourer on his death.

[eileenwilson]

The Eliza Conlon who was the informant on Rose's death died a spinster aged 67 in Drumnacamph in 1915 -- likely a daughter to Rose. The informant on Eliza's death was her nephew Edward Conlon of Drumnagally:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05268/4461902.pdf

1901 Census (aged 50):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000699454/

1911 Census (aged 72 -- adding weight to Elwyn's theory of increased age due to pension eligibility):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Tullylish/Drumnascamph/212932/

[Alan of Kaslo]

Edward Conlon that married Mary Oneill in 1910 is the son of my Arthur .
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09987/5632218.pdf

Here is above Edward in 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Tullylish/Coose__Chapel_Row/213550/

Not sure if he could be the same Edward that was informant on the Eliza Conlon death Eileen mentioned.

Arthur Conlon was a weaver , labourer and dealer of vegetables:
1901 census for Arthur
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Laurencetown/1204775/

Also I just noticed Arthur and Edward Conlon flax farmers in Seapatrick Ballylough  1828
http://countydown.x10.mx/html/banbridge_l5.htm

I wonder if the above Arthur flax farmer in 1828 might be the Arthur that died 1867 age 76? I'll try and see if I can pay for a version on GRO-NI govt site. *EDIT* , so I got that Arthur's death from 1867 but I can't figure out his occupation ... cobler?

Arthur Conlon death 1867 image view:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B6Dey0NUehluz1aLeykr6pcudAElpZTm/view?usp=share_link

Info that goes with above Arthur:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bfMxdwds-Nljg5QSr6t0o01MH6LenDDc/view?usp=share_link

Not sure if that Arthur is family or an Arthur of note ...

Before that in the 1796 flax growers listing there is a Michael Conlan ,  William, Charles and a David. The places they list aren't necessarily close to Tullylish... but they are still in Armagh and about 25 miles away. A couple just say Armagh.
 https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/armagh.php

[Alan of Kaslo]

CONLON - I.H.S. (Ballynagarrick)

Erected by John, Arthur and Edward Conlon in memory of their father Arthur Conlon of Ballynagarrick who died 8th April 1868 aged 66 years.
-Also his wife Mary Conlon died 12th 1864 aged 67 years.
-Also their daughters:
Sarah and Mary. (no ages nor dates)
Requiescant in pace.

*Above 4 names at this CONLON grave.

Arthur Conlon grave in Ballynagarrick
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175604589/arthur-conlon

I found the above grave and it has Arthurs and Edward Conlons. Could be relatives of Edward Conlon that married Rose McCarten. This Arthur died 8th April 1868 whereas the Arthur who died 1867 age 76 died on 28th February.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Update.

I found what I originally thought was an Arthur born to an Edward but upon reflection I see it actually says son of Arthur Conly. When I first saw the entry for August 18th 1841 I thought I had found my Edward but then I doubted it said Edward (which it doesn't).

Then Heywood found the Arthur Conlon born to Edward and Rose McCarten in 1836. I went back and looked and found a John Conlon born just above a couple pages above on Feb th 1836 to Arthur Conlon and Mary McCarten. Then I noticed the 1836 birth of Arthur to same couple.

I'm not sure but I think my Edward Conlon is possibly brother to the senior Arthur mentioned as the father on the grave above. Furthermore Rose and Mary McCarten may be sisters...

Attached:  birth of Arthur Conlon 1841 and birth of John Conlon 1836

[Alan of Kaslo]

Just when I was about to give up looking ... I found a birth from 1833 for an Edward Conlon with father Edward and McCarten sponsors.

Halfway down the left-hand page:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633252#page/5/mode/1up

[heywood]

You’re very busy 

Have you got Mary baptised 21 December 1844 - Arthur Conlon and M Cartain
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633253#page/8/mode/1up

[Alan of Kaslo]

No I hadn't looked past 1841. Thanks! I did see a few other Conlons earlier and lots of McCartens.