Mary Ann Williams

[kenandjulie]

Hope someone can help, I am going round in circles. Williams research is a minefield.

I recently sent off for my grate aunts birth cert, her name was Mary Ann Williams born 5th July 1885 Blaenafon, the family were living at Upper Brickyard, Blaenafon at the time. The information on the birth cert shows it is here, here parents were Thomas Williams and Mary Jane (Richards) Williams.
The 1891 census shows that Mary Ann Williams is aged 5 years old and living with her grandparents  George and Mary Ann Williams at Red House, Blaenafon.
The 1901 census shows here to be still living at 1 Red House, Blaenafon with her aunt  Sophia (Williams) Phillips and Sophia's husband George Phillips.  Living at 2 Red House is her grandparents George and Mary Ann Williams.
After this i lose her, i can't find a death for her.
Best Ken

[QueenoftheWest]

There is a possible marriage for Mary Ann to a Thomas Edward Nelmes on 10th November 1908. They were married at the Abergavenny Baptist Chapel; the witnesses were E. M. Morris and E. Sumner. Unfortunately, I can't find a transcript of the marriage to see the name of this Mary Ann's father and her address.

On the 1911 census, Mary Ann's place of birth is Blaenavon, but her birth year is estimated to be 1888. However, she could have shaved a few years off to be the same age as her husband.

It is very hard to know whether this is the right Mary without seeing the transcript, as Williams is such a common name.

Queenie 

[Kay99]

I think this may be Thomas Nelmes's pension and Mary Ann's  birth day and month looks correct although the year is out - my grandmother took 5 years off her age when she married

Mary Ann Nelmes
Gender:    Female
Birth Date:    5 Jul 1887
Residence Place:    Glam
Relation to Soldier:    Widow
Title:    WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description:    Other Ranks Died Neilan A-Nelson Urquhart W
Thos Nelmes    
Mary Ann Nelmes    Widow
Thomas Wilfred Nelmes    Child
Edward James Wynford Nelmes    Child
Harriet Mabel Nelmes    Child

Kay

[kenandjulie]

Hello Queenie and Kay.

Looks like you've cracked it for me, thank you both very much for your help...Kay, can you tell me if his pension records mentions where they are are living in Glamorganshire?
I shall send off for a PDF of  their marriage cert just to make 100% sure but i am sure this is another enigma which is going to be put to bed. Very much appreciated.  THANK YOU

[Cas (stallc)]

1921 census free index for Nelmes in Glamorgan. Full record would give details

James Winifred Nelmes born 1912 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales living Llangeinor - reg district Bridgend, Glamorganshire

Mabel H Nelmes 1914 born New Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales living Llangeinor, Bridgend

Thomas Wilfred Nelmes
1909 born Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales. Living Llangeinor, Bridgend

James Winifred, William, Mary Anne and 5 others are on this record.

Mary Ann does not appear to have surname Nelmes unless mistranscribed, but looks to be in same household.

Cas

[Ladyhawk]

I think this may be Thomas Nelmes's pension and Mary Ann's  birth day and month looks correct although the year is out - my grandmother took 5 years off her age when she married

Mary Ann Nelmes
Gender:    Female
Birth Date:    5 Jul 1887
Residence Place:    Glam
Relation to Soldier:    Widow
Title:    WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description:    Other Ranks Died Neilan A-Nelson Urquhart W
Thos Nelmes    
Mary Ann Nelmes    Widow
Thomas Wilfred Nelmes    Child
Edward James Wynford Nelmes    Child
Harriet Mabel Nelmes    Child

Names the same three children on this record gives their dob

Thomas occ butcher

Thomas Edward Nelmes age 28 Rank Corporal
Regiment Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Unit / Battalion 3rd Battalion
Series WO 363
Year 1916
Service number 12343

He was discharged on 17 9 1916 address 20 King St Blaenarvon

On another page gives same marriage date as Queenie posted and lists same children names and dob
next of kin wife Annie Nelmes address 7 (?Town) Terrace, Phillipstown, Tredegar, Mon

GRO indexes gives mmn

NELMES, EDWARD  JAMES WYNFORD    WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1912  J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 97
 
NELMES, HARRIET  MABEL     WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1914  J Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 228

[Cas (stallc)]

1921 Free index Same household as Nelmes children

Mary Anne Warrall b1890, Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales living Llangeinor, Bridgend, Glamorganshire

William Warrall b1892 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangeinor, Bridgend Glamorganshire

Cas

[kenandjulie]

Wow! it gets more interesting by the moment Mabel H Nelemes living in New Tredegar. My grandfather Thomas Williams ( younger brother of Mary Ann (Williams) Nelmes) born Blaenafon 1890 married Beatrice Charlotte (Baylis), and moved to Phillipstown circa 1915, my father was born 2 Meadow Terrace, Phillipstown New Tredegar. 1923.
Best

Ken

[Ladyhawk]

CORPORAL
T E NELMES
Service Number: 12343
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/389808/t-e-nelmes/