Giblett/Baker Query

[Leumascot]

A new year and a new attempt to solve an enduring mystery!

My third great grandparents were James Giblett (c.1820-1862) and Mary Ann Baker (1821-1897). I have been unable to locate a baptism for either of them or establish, definitively, who their parents were. They married in the Register Office in East London, August 3rd1845. There were curiously no children for 5 years, then a boy named James Bartlee Giblett in 1850. They emigrated to Victoria with this child on the ship Slains Castle where the elder James was described as a wine cooper. They lived in Castlemaine and had 3 further children, all girls. James Bartlee died aged 12 so this line of ‘Gibletts’ ceased there although 2 girls survived to adulthood and produced several children, 2 of whom died on the battlefields of Flanders and Gallipoli. James Giblett the elder died in 1862 and there is nothing on his death certificate about his family which was odd as his wife was alive and would have known this information. Mary Ann Baker went on to marry Edward Lancaster. Her marriage and death certificates confirm that her parent’s names were James Baker and Hannah Brown and that she was born in Wells, Somerset but I have not located her parents or a baptism. I have obtained Mary Ann and James’s marriage certificate and James’s father was William Burnett Giblett, currier. The Gibletts were native to the Somerset/Gloucestershire region and I believe William was married to Ann Burnett and had 12 children, all of whom have baptismal records with the exception of James. One of James’s older siblings was named Bartlee so I think this is where the second name of the son came from. I am now beginning to wonder if James was perhaps illegitimate (although the Somerset baptismal records contain plenty of ‘base’ children) as he was ostensibly born the same year as his twin siblings Elizabeth and William. The Giblett/Baker question was posed on this forum in 2007 without resolution so I’m hoping that in the 16 year interval someone may have come across something relevant or a new dataset may have been transcribed!

Heather

[maddys52]

Hello Leumascot and welcome to RootsChat.

other thread mentioned is here for anyone interested:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=221672.0

Just to mention that looking at FreeReg, I see that the baptisms of William and Ann's children at St Cuthbert, Wells have William's occupation as "carrier" not "currier", and of Grope Lane. Does it definitely say "currier" on the marriage certificate?

Also, I'm assuming the birth of c1820 for James comes from his age at marriage and death? What does it say for each of those? 

[maddys52]

Have you discounted the James GIBLETT who was baptised at St Mary Meare on 25 Dec 1816, parents ? (labourer) and Sabra GIBLETT?
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58183eace93790eca3bbf831

[maddys52]

There was a W GIBBLETT, currier in St Ives, Huntingdonshire/Cambridgeshire around this time. His wife Elizabeth died in 1854 aged 50.

"GIBLETT - at St. Ives, on the 2nd inst, aged 50, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. W. Giblett, currier"
Saturday,  Dec. 16, 1854
Publication: Cambridge Independent Press

and an advertisement for a house etc previously occupied by Mr GIBLETT, currier, in 1850:
Saturday,  Aug. 10, 1850
Publication: Cambridge Independent Press

[wivenhoe]

Can you please list all the information on the GIBLETT-BAKER marriage certificate, 1845.

[maddys52]

Have you discounted the James GIBLETT who was baptised at St Mary Meare on 25 Dec 1816, parents ? (labourer) and Sabra GIBLETT?
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58183eace93790eca3bbf831

Probably discount him as this looks like him in 1851 with family and mother Sabara
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPS-XJK

[maddys52]

James Giblett the elder died in 1862 and there is nothing on his death certificate about his family which was odd as his wife was alive and would have known this information.

findagrave has his place of birth as Hammersmith, London. Not sure where this information came from.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236570047/james-giblett

Interestingly, the William GIBLETT, currier in St Ives on the 1851 census has children born in London.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGRW-ZMR
Though he is probably a little young to be your James' father.

[wivenhoe]

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~crossland/genealogy/index.htm

The Slains Castle........commissioned in 1850 by the Family Colonisation Loan Society to carry its first sailing of emigrants bound for Australia.

The Family Colonisation Loan Society was a body which was founded by Mrs. Caroline Chisholm on her return to England after 7 years in Australia. It was a philanthropic organization dedicated to assisting families of an "industrious and frugal class" to make a paid passage to Australia in relative comfort and safety. It also invited persons already in Australia to sponsor relatives to join them.

Slains Castle departed London 28 Sep 1850...arrr Port Phillip 25 Jan 1851.

Is this your James GIBLETT selling up to leave for Melbourne...and suggestion of relative in Sydney?

The newspaper archive is a paid site. You can see enough accreviated fext to suggest if it might be of interest to you.

Use  Britishnewspaper archives  https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Select....England
Select....London
Select...1850-1899
Search term......."James Giblett"

Finds - Standard of Freedom 8 Jun 1850 p14
...brass founders—W. Forder, T. Forder,and ll. Brett, Southampton, wine merchants—JohnGiblett, Sydney, New South Wales, and James Giblett, Vere-street, Lincoln'sinn-fields

Morning Advertiser 26 Jun 1850 p4
.....on the premises, Lordship-lane, Tottenham, on Thursday, July 4. atll order of the Proprietor, James Giblett, Esq , who is 'leaving the residence,

[maddys52]

I assume this is your James GIBLETT in Hammersmith in 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQJC-YPB
(born in county)