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Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I am looking for details of the 1790 marriage of Thomas Maxted and Elizabeth Hardy in St James Church Piccadilly. The Thomas Maxted I am interested in appears in Kent about this period with a wife Elizabeth and wondered if this marriage may be him.
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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:12 GMT (UK) »
The marriage was by licence. They were both of the parish of Saint James, Westminster, at the time of their marriage. Thomas was aged above 21 years, as was Elizabeth. They had both never been married previously.

Thomas was described as 'gentleman.' One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.

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Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
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Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:17 GMT (UK) »
However, there are 2 marriages in Kent that are perhaps more likely:

Thomas Maxted to Elizabeth Knott in Wickhambreux, Kent (1770)
Thomas Maxted to Elizabeth Foreman in Eltham, Kent (1779)

& Ladyhawk's suggestion below.

Where in Kent were your Thomas & Elizabeth baptising their children?

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Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:18 GMT (UK) »
There is this marriage in Kent for a Thomas to Elizabeth

Thomas Maxted parish of Belsington, batchelor
Marriage 08 Jun 1799 St Mary the Virgin, Ebony, Kent
Spouse Elizabeth Ramsden, spinster of this parish
First witness John Maxted
Second witness William Ramsden
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:44 GMT (UK) »

Where in Kent were your Thomas & Elizabeth baptising their children?


Madmax

If they had children could you also give us their names and when/ where did Thomas & Elizabeth die?

Do you have Thomas & Elizabeth on 1841 census, if so could you give details please
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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 January 23 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Thomas was married twice both times to an elizabeth, the second was a london marriage to Elizabeth Denne in 1805 by Licence. From his Will it seems neither marriage produced any children as he leaves everything to his surviving wife and his siblings and when his second wife dies in 1843 there is also no mention of children. I have ruled out the kent marriages mentioned as I am either aware of the families or they went on to have many children so are unlikely to be this Thomas Maxted.
He was of Nonington in 1805 and was buried there in 1813

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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 January 23 18:21 GMT (UK) »
One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.

I don't think so. John Do (or Doe) was a standard name for a ‘dummy bondsman’. He was not a real person. If he were John Maxted, as suggested, his name would normally have been given in full, together with his parish and occupation, and he should have signed the bond along with Thomas Maxted.

‘John Doe’ appears in several of the bonds that follow this one in the register. It was just a common device used to compensate for the lack of a bondsman when the bond was sworn. Sometimes the name 'Richard Roe' was used instead.

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The witnesses to the 1790 marriage were John Benefold and Samuel Price, who witnessed other marriages in the register and may have been church employees.

Elizabeth signed her name Hardey , though it is written Hardy in the body of the entry.


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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 January 23 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I must agree with bookbox at this time the bondsman was often blatantly flouted and I guess may be the origin of the John Doe that we use today.

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Re: Thomas Maxted Marriage st James Piccadilly 1790
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 January 23 18:36 GMT (UK) »
One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.

I don't think so. John Do (or Doe) was a standard name for a ‘dummy bondsman’. He was not a real person. If he were John Maxted, as suggested, his name would normally have been given in full, together with his parish and occupation, and he should have signed the bond along with Thomas Maxted.

Interesting. One learns something new every day!

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Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset