William Lumsden 1813-1860

[Eyesee]

William LUMSDEN was born in Gamrie, Banff, Scotland in 1813, son of Joseph and Margaret (nee RAFFAN) LUMSDEN. Joseph was a gardener and had died before 1841.

On 18 Jun 1841 he married Emma Catherine STRONG at Charles the Martyr Parish Church, Plymouth.

On 22 Jun 1841 William and Emma left Plymouth on the Oriental, an immigrant ship bound for New Zealand. William's occupation on the passenger list was Gardener, which he carried on with in NZ.

Emma was with her mother Ann at James Street, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth in the 1841 census, which was taken on 6 Jun 1841.

Can anyone find William in the 1841 census. Not having much luck. He can't have been very far away if he was getting married less than two weeks later.

Many thanks
Ian C

[ciderdrinker]

Hello Ian
Like you not having much luck.
But the marriage certificate does say St Charles the Maytr which is in Plymouth.
2 of the witnesses Benjamin and Mary Call are living there.
1841 Vauxhall St ST Charles the Maytr  Prince George Pub
Benjamin Call 55 innkeeper y
Ann 55 y
Benjamin 20 tanner j y
Mary 25 barmaid y
Elizabeth Elliot 20 Female servant y
Susan Createe 15  same y
William Ryecant 20 Independent I or S
William Ginch 40 merchant y
William Phillips 45 ostler N
Mary 35 N
Elizabeth 20 N
John 20 plasterer jy
Louisa 15 y
Francis 14 plasterer j y
Richard 13 plasterer j y
Mary 9
William 1

As you can see it seems quite a big place.Could William Lumsden have been staying there? If the Calls filled in the form early ,they may have included who was staying at the time rather than on the 6th of June.If not is there some other connection to the Calls? If not why are they 2 of the 3 witnesses?

Photo of Inn here
https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/devon/plymouth_princegeorge2.html

James Street is quite a distance away so it doesn't make sense for Emma Catherine Strong to ask them.Why not ask her parents?

Ordinance Survey map 1856
Vauxhall street is by the docks ,running vertically from How Street by the Vauxhall Brewery

https://maps.nls.uk/view/128598089

In 1851 the Calls are still the Innkeepers and now they have a lot of Sea Captains staying .There are 16 lodgers ,mostly master mariners and fisherman. Benjamin had owned the Inn since 1821 and was entitled to vote.

Does that help?

Ciderdrinker

[Eyesee]

Thanks Ciderdrinker.

I did find a Scottish born William Lumsden in the 60th Foot in Berkshire in 1841, but not the one I am looking for. Took his discharge in England in the 1850s.

Ian C