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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 January 23 19:28 GMT (UK) »
That is such a good find.
That will perhaps be why the two children are in the workhouse in 1841.
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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #10 on: Monday 16 January 23 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Death of Phoebe Hart , June quarter 1838, Hexham.
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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 January 23 19:34 GMT (UK) »
I was thinking very much along the same lines.

The Britannia & Trades Advocate (Hobart), 9 Aug 1849
CONDITIONAL PARDONS RECOMMENDED
No 2982  Isaac Hart, David Clarke

Wondered what happened to Phoebe.

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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 January 23 19:38 GMT (UK) »
The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston), 19 Oct 1850
CONDITIONAL PARDONS GRANTED
Isaac Hart, D. Clarke.



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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 January 23 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Looks like young Isaac married twice. He's on 1861 in Chester le Street with wife Isabella. Aged 24, b Hexham. Ag lab

Marriage to Isabella Green

Q2    1860
Chester le Street  Vol: 10a p 485

Deaths
HART, ISABELLA
Age        23 
Q2 1861
CHESTER LE STREET  Volume 10A  Page 220

Burial Date:    2 Jun 1861

HART, ISABELLA
Age        0 
Q3  1861
CHESTER LE STREET  Volume 10A  Page 198

Burial date 3 Sep 1861


I suspect this is the same child's birth
HART, ELIZABETH  ANN
mmn      GREEN     
Q2  1861 CHESTER LE STREET  Volume 10A  Page 367

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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 January 23 00:12 GMT (UK) »
To all who have responded to this question, I would like to thank you.  I believe that a few of you have identified his father and mother - those probably being the Isaac who was transported to Van Diemen's Land and his wife Phoebe who died before that event.  I believe also that a few of you identified Isaac Harts who were probably related to him and lived in the right areas but all of these Isaacs were either too young or too old to be the man in question.  The most likely candidate is the Isaac identified by AlanBoyd who was the right age when he died in 1891.  If the age was wrong on the 1871 Census (not unknown!) then the Isaac, son of Isaac and Phoebe, would be a very strong candidate - having been born in Hexham but apparently 7 years too soon.  I think a lot more research is needed.

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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 17 January 23 08:47 GMT (UK) »
I believe also that a few of you identified Isaac Harts who were probably related to him and lived in the right areas but all of these Isaacs were either too young or too old to be the man in question.

I was thinking we have identified one Isaac Hart with parents Isaac and Phoebe.  :-\

Is this the burial you think might be the right one?  The birth year is approx. 1832
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZLZ-5Z6

1861 has him born abt 1837
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7DV-M3P

1871 as you know born abt 1839

1881 abt 1840
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-DZV3

He may well have altered his age to suit Margaret’s age or employment.

If you are researching the one married to Margaret in 1871, then you need to purchase the marriage certificate to check if there is a father named and Isaac’s status.
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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 17 January 23 09:37 GMT (UK) »
I think a lot more research is needed.

What kind of research are you thinking of Elliven?
Where have you looked already?
Are Isaac and Margaret your ancestors?
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Re: Isaac Hart publican at Flint Hill
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 January 23 11:13 GMT (UK) »
heywood,

You have convinced me with one tiny piece of information!  First, I should explain that my expertise is in researching buildings not people - although I try to confirm the identities of people  who lived or worked in those buildings.

With no disrespect to you or others who have tried to help me, I was sticking to the information as given in the 1871 Census.  Clearly I was wrong to do that.

I had no hesitation in accepting that he would come to Flint Hill from Hexham as many agricultural workers did - mostly to find better paid work in the coal mines.  My problem was in understanding the Chester-le-Street/Hett Hills connection.  Although this area is only 8-10 miles away, there is no direct connection.

The building was given in the 1871 Census as Four Lane Ends public house, Flint Hill.  There has never been a pub of that name but what is now known as Flint Hill Bank is shown on old OS maps as Four Lane Ends and there were two pubs on that road.  I am trying to identify which he managed.  I cannot check the brewery records as both breweries have long gone.  The one vital clue you gave me showed that his daughter Margret Hart was born in Flint Hill which was a thriving though very small village in 1871 but had no direct connection with the Chester-le-Street area.  However, his in-laws were publicans so that might be the connection.  His time here appears to be limited to 1871 so it seems he failed as a publican and went back to being an agricultural labourer.

If I can prove he was the son of the Isaac Hart who was transported to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) -as it seems he was because he was brought up in Hexham Workhouse - that would add interest to the story.