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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #18 on: Friday 20 January 23 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Caroline, I too think Queenies research is very sound.

John

Thanks for that, John; I appreciate it. I was starting to think that everyone thought my suggestion was incorrect.

Queenie  :)
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Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #19 on: Friday 20 January 23 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Queenie- sorry I hadnt forgotten you but I've been looking at that this afternoon (I'm off work at the moment with anaemia so have some spare time!)
So....there's a lot going on with the maternal tree so I will try to explain where I am and the brick walls I've come across;
1) I have a birth cert for Julia Ann Adams which confirms she was born on 7 August 1920. Names on the birth certificate are Fred Adams (Father) and Farm labourer; Lizzie Adams (formerly Richardson) is the mother. Residence of informant is Ings Lane, Cumberworth, Lincolnshire.
2) In 1939, I agree that Julia Adams was living at 73 Curzon Street, Nottingham with a Dora M Adams. I believe Dora is the Dora born on 15 June 1898 in Friskney/Spilsby Lincs. She also had a twin sister Ivy.
3) A Fred Adams is named as a sibling of Dora and Ivy on the 1901 census aged 12. I couldn't however find him on the 1891 or 1911 census records. I have this family down as the most likely fit for my neighbours ancestors but come unstuck when Fred is killed during WW1 (1917) and therefore cannot be Julia's father.
4) In 1939, Julia gives her status as married. We know that my neighbour's father was Jewish, and already married when Julia had him in 1942. No marriage records exist so we conclude that her married status is incorrect.
5) Julia did marry in 1946 but gave her status as "spinster!" She also gave her name as Julia Adams   [***ene] the surname of the father of her first born son. This was incorrect.
6) Julia gave her father's name as Fred ***ene (again incorrect) and gave his profession as a printers traveller (according to her birth certificate he was a farm labourer!)
As you can see we have a few anomalies!!
Sadly Julia died in 1949 as did her husband. With no birth father on the scene, the boys were fostered and their records destroyed during WW2.
That's the story so far :) You can probably see now why I'm struggling a little :)
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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #20 on: Friday 20 January 23 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to hear you are unwell (I relate!).

Just want to say that Julia gives her status as single in the 1939 register I am looking at?

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
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Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #21 on: Friday 20 January 23 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Also, who registered Julia's birth? Was it her mother?

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset


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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #22 on: Friday 20 January 23 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Queenie- yes the mother was the informant. My gut feeling is that we have the right family here. Thinking right "out of the box" it is not inconceivable that the mother, knowing that Fred died in 1917, used Fred's name as father to disguise the identity of the real father. There are a number of options if we go down that route but need to rule out any genuine connections before I pursue that one!
There are plenty of Richardsons in that part of Lincolnshire :)
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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #23 on: Friday 20 January 23 17:54 GMT (UK) »
3) A Fred Adams is named as a sibling of Dora and Ivy on the 1901 census aged 12. I couldn't however find him on the 1891 or 1911 census records.

D, Institution or Vessel:   4

Piece:   2602
Folio:   36
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
William Adams   26   Head
Elizabeth Elle Adams
29   Wife
Fred Adams
2   Son
William Percy Adams
10/12   Son
Henry Atchinson
68   Lodger

John

Added, in 1911 Fred is Frederick Adams born Friskney, transcribed surname on Anc* ADAMO

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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #24 on: Friday 20 January 23 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you!
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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 21 January 23 08:07 GMT (UK) »
Caroline, we are not allowed to post details of 1921 census for copyright reasons. If you have Findmypast I would suggest you look very closely at the census details of the below. Note how they have transcribed christian name.

Julker Ann
Wright
1920
Friskney, Lincolnshire, England
Skirbeck
Boston
Lincolnshire

There are no J* Ann Wright births in Lincolnshire between 1919-21

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Re: Fred Adams and Lizzie Richardson (Lincolnshire)
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 21 January 23 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks John! Now that is VERY interesting as my neighbour is connected via DNA to the Wright family :)
Also, by assuming that Dora Adams who was living with Julia Adams is from the correct family, I have come down the tree to find a Frank Wright married to a Harriet A Adams so am currently looking to see if I can link Frank to the Wright information I have (not much)
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CALDICOTT- Warwickshire
POTTER- Lincolnshire