John Morley 1874 - 1956

[JGriff]

Hello
Mothers maiden name Highaway
Jessie siblings- Sarah Elizabeth Mar 1898 ,Bertha dec qtr 1899 ,Alice Dec qtr 1906,Robert mar qtr 1910

John Morley married Sarah Ann Highway 11 April  St James  Oldham 1896.
John Morley 21 bach file cutter 7 Hall st s of Joseph Morley dec labourer
Sarah Ann Highway 20 spinster domestic servant  3 Hall St  d of John Highway dec engineer

By 1911 the couple are living 14 Hunters Lane Oldham
John is 37 mill limewasher from Burslem Staffordshire
Sarah Ann 35 born Dawley Salop

1901 4 Clarance  St Oldham
John  26 file cutter Burslem
Sarah Ann 25
Sarah E 3
Bertha 1

I'll try and track his earlier life  in the Potteries

Ciderdrinker

Thank you very much!

[ciderdrinker]

John Morley born 25 April 1874 still alive on 1939 index

1891 census Hall St Oldham
Robert Morley 62 widowed clogger Stockport Cheshire
Elizabeth 32 daughter Cotton operative Hanley
John 16 grandson file cutter Burslem
Edward Cronley 28 iron worker lodger single Oldham

1881 25 Navigation Road Burslem
Robert Morley 52 clogger Stockport
Sarah 43 wife Smallthorne Staffs
Betsey 7 daughter Burslem
John grandson 6  Burslem

Struggling to find a Joseph Morley s of Robert.
Robert married 3 times
Anne Lowe 26 Dec 1848 both minors Stone.Robert shoemaker s of Richard hatter and Ann d of Samuel Lowe labourer (Death 1828-20 Oct 1853 Shelton St Mark)
Anne Frost 14.7.1855 Burslem St Paul fathers Richard a hatter and John Frost potter(death 1830-2.11.1875 Burslem st John)
Sarah Ford widow 4 Dec 1876 same church

So far daughter Elizabeth baptised 9 .5.1858 d of Robert and Ann clogger Shelton(Miss Frost)
Robert June qtr 1860 ,William June qtr 1862

Mary Ann  1852 born Burslem

1851 St Andrews Square Manchester
Robert Morley 22 Clogger Stockport
Ann  22 Staffordshire

1861 Beam St Nantwich
Robert Morley lodger 32 clog and ? maker Stockport
Ann 31 Burslem
Mary Ann 9
Elizabeth 3
1871 Robert is a lodger at Bebbington

Still no sign of a Joseph and I'm beginning to think John was the son of Mary Ann or Elizabeth Morley.The birth Reg is June 1874 at Wolstanton with no mothers maiden name
Can't spot those shops either

Ciderdrinker

[Dundee]

Still no sign of a Joseph and I'm beginning to think John was the son of Mary Ann or Elizabeth Morley

Me too.

Debra 

[JGriff]

John Morley born 25 April 1874 still alive on 1939 index

1891 census Hall St Oldham
Robert Morley 62 widowed clogger Stockport Cheshire
Elizabeth 32 daughter Cotton operative Hanley
John 16 grandson file cutter Burslem
Edward Cronley 28 iron worker lodger single Oldham

1881 25 Navigation Road Burslem
Robert Morley 52 clogger Stockport
Sarah 43 wife Smallthorne Staffs
Betsey 7 daughter Burslem
John grandson 6  Burslem

Struggling to find a Joseph Morley s of Robert.
Robert married 3 times
Anne Lowe 26 Dec 1848 both minors Stone.Robert shoemaker s of Richard hatter and Ann d of Samuel Lowe labourer (Death 1828-20 Oct 1853 Shelton St Mark)
Anne Frost 14.7.1855 Burslem St Paul fathers Richard a hatter and John Frost potter(death 1830-2.11.1875 Burslem st John)
Sarah Ford widow 4 Dec 1876 same church

So far daughter Elizabeth baptised 9 .5.1858 d of Robert and Ann clogger Shelton(Miss Frost)
Robert June qtr 1860 ,William June qtr 1862

Mary Ann  1852 born Burslem

1851 St Andrews Square Manchester
Robert Morley 22 Clogger Stockport
Ann  22 Staffordshire

1861 Beam St Nantwich
Robert Morley lodger 32 clog and ? maker Stockport
Ann 31 Burslem
Mary Ann 9
Elizabeth 3
1871 Robert is a lodger at Bebbington

Still no sign of a Joseph and I'm beginning to think John was the son of Mary Ann or Elizabeth Morley.The birth Reg is June 1874 at Wolstanton with no mothers maiden name
Can't spot those shops either

Ciderdrinker

This is fantastic thank you very much!
Do you find this information through ancestry?

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
The censuses are on Ancestry
The marriages are on FindMyPast

ps both Robert's son seem to have died as babies.

Ciderdrinker

[JGriff]

Hello
The censuses are on Ancestry
The marriages are on FindMyPast

ps both Robert's son seem to have died as babies.


Ciderdrinker

Ok thank you!
Generally speaking, if John was the son of Mary Ann or Elizabeth Morley, would he have kept their maiden name as his surname if he was born out of wedlock?

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Yes generally he would have kept their surname.Occasionly he might have taken a step father's surname if his mother married but usually he would have his mother's surname.

His birth registration looks to be
John Morley June qtr Wolstanton volume 6b page 170

You can obtain the birth certificate and that would give his parents or parent.

Looking at Robert's children

Mary Ann born 1852 Burselm with parents on 1861 and 1871 censuses
Elizabeth born 1858 with her father or mother 1861,71,91 ,then married August 6th 1898 Oldham St John to James Needham widower 42 labourer.It looks like she was buried at Gorton Cemetery May 1911.
Robert born and died June qtr 1860
William born 1862 married Burslem st John 17.10.1881 Elizabeth Margaret Wardles with whom he was lodging in 1881.He died possibly Dec qtr 1923  in Stoke on Trent

Betsey Morley  born 1874 ,should be Ford as born before their marriage and is probably Sarah's child from her first marriage.I haven't got the full details of her marriage to Robert on 1876 so I don't know her mother's maiden name.She is alive and with her mother on the 1891 census at 2 America St Stoke on Trent.

If I had to plumb for one of the daughters I'd go for Elizabeth born 1858 as she remains with John in the same household in 1891 .

Getting his birth certificate would help.
Good luck with your research .

Ciderdrinker

[willyam]

As Carole has observed, John Morley died in Warwickshire and his address at the time is shown in the Probate index entry for his Estate. £1.50 to obtain a copy of his Will might prove to be money well spent.

Additionally, although he died in Selly Oak Hospital he was buried in Greenacres Cemetery in Oldham - alongside his wife Sarah Ann (who died in 1924) and 3 of their infant children. A very clear image of their headstone is freely accessible via findagrave.com.

Willyam