Marriage John Goulding and Ann Robinson

[Talacharn]

I am looking for information about John Goulding, Davenham 1802 and Ann 1803 of Knutsford/Kelsall (I know there is a distance between, but that is what the transcriptions say). His mother was Alice Goulding 1766. They are on the 1841 census with children at Leigh’s Works. From the censuses, only John Goulding b. 1840 is on the GRO (Apr-Jun 1839 mmn Robinson). There is a baptism in Davenham, 1802, which I believe is John. There are two intended marriages with a John Goulding, 25 Dec 1825 to Ann Birtles and 15 Jul 1827 to Ann Williams both in Davenham. I cannot find a marriage, or intention, to Ann Robinson. There is a baptism for an Ann Robinson in Tarvin, February 1804, which may be her.

Can anyone find a marriage?

A secondary question. The earliest online map is from 1874/5 and does not show Leigh’s Works. From the area, it is probably related to the salt industry. Does anyone have information about Leigh’s Works, and why would they be living there?

[QueenoftheWest]

From the censuses, only John Goulding b. 1840 is on the GRO (Apr-Jun 1839 mmn Robinson).

I think you may have mixed up two different families.

The John Goulding born to John & Ann was baptised in late 1831. On the 1851, his estimated birth year is 1833.

The John Goulding registered in 1839 was most likely the son of Thomas Goulding and Elizabeth Robinson. He had an younger sister called Hannah (1840) registered in the same district.

It looks like your John & Ann had:
- John (1831)
- William (1835)
- Thomas (1839)

Queenie 

[Talacharn]

Thanks. I am trying to resolve.

[garstonite]

although baptised in 1802 - John was born 26th December 1801 - baptism was 10th January 1802

KEYCODE   DAVNC02501173.10098
PADVER   davnC1173.1
PARISH_CODE   DAVN
TAGGED   0
DATED   8020110
FORENAME   JOHN
SEX   M
FATHER_FORENAME   JOHN
MOTHER_FORENAME   ALICE
SURNAME   GOULDING
OCCUPATION   LABOURER
RESIDENCE   DAVN
DATE_OF_BIRTH   8011226

siblings
Joseph born 2 feb 1799
Mary 27th aug 1796
Thomas 15th dec 1793
Ann 27th feb 1791
Mary 27th March 1790 - obviously died
all to John and Alice in Davenham

https://cprdb.csc.liv.ac.uk/Live/v3.6/database.html

[BumbleB]

The actual parish register entry for John Goulding born 1801 is very interesting as it is a variation on the Dade registers of Yorkshire:

John, son of John Goulding of Davenham, Labourer.  John senior is the son of Mary Garside of Bostock.
Mother is Alice, daughter of Thomas and Ellen Worrall of Cuddington.

Joseph's baptism in 1799 gives the same information for the parents and grandparents.

AMENDED:  Joseph's entry says that John Goulding's mother is Mary Goulding, rather than Garside.

[garstonite]

Thanks Bumble - I couldn't quite make out the bottom list of names - thought it might be Godparents 

[BumbleB]

No problem, and the parish register images are available via FindMyPast.

[garstonite]

so - Talacharn posted this marriage - and - John Goulden is from Davenham - confirmed - but the marriage is 29th Dec 1825

KEYCODE   KNUTM01000498.10007
PADVER   knutM0498.1
PARISH_CODE   KNUT
TAGGED   0
DATED   8251229
GROOM_FNAME   JOHN
GROOM_SNAME   GOULDEN
GROOM_RESID   DAVNP
GROOM_SIGN   X
BANNS   BS
BRIDE_FNAME   ANN
BRIDE_SNAME   BIRTLES
BRIDE_RESID   KNUTP
BRIDE_SIGN   X
W_FNAME_1   JOSEPH
W_SNAME_1   GOULDEN
W_FNAME_2   ANN
W_SNAME_2   LEIGH XX
C_FNAME   ROBERT
C_SNAME   CLOWES
..............
I am getting confused a little - are we suggesting John Goulden from Davenham married twice ? or - is Talacharn confused with
John Goulding from Davenham  - and - John Goulden from Davenham ??

[BumbleB]

The register image is again available via FindMyPast - both John (bridegroom) and Joseph (witness) have the surname Goulden.  John makes his mark and Joseph signs.

ADDED:  and the marriage venue was St John the Baptist, Knutsford.