Martin Winn's kids seem to have different mothers?

[Seelife]

If I look at Freebmd in a very open search of Winn and a wide date range :
Winn    Martin         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Hull    9d   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
The records on the same page to that of Martin Winn
Storey    Mary        Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Toward    Hannah         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Martin         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
I dont find a mary Forbes in any reliable records.
Oh, and the image of Martin Winns marriage 1864 also shows the same Page and Vol 10a, 404
I dont believe the Forbes angle, but why is it in the baptism records unless this is an unrecorded "marriage".  Im trying to locate a death for mary-1 just incase there is a "spouse" change after...

[osprey]

But Forbes or variant is the mother's maiden name on the birth registrations. Use the GRO site to check.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp


I wonder if the complication comes from further back in the family.

Baptism Gateshead 25 Sept 1815 Michael son of Jane Forbes, single woman

also same parish 17 Feb 1813 James illegitimate son of Jane Forbes - note in register says 'wife of James Forbes who has been three years in Portugal'

I haven't spotted James again until 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27B-BWBZ

His son John has married by the following census and has a son named Michael
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJD4-MN2

The marriage cert for Michael Forbes may name his father - he married Ann Parkinson 13 March 1841 at Pittington GRO reg march qtr 1841 Durham vol 24 pg 62 or buy from the Record Office as advised by JenB

 

[JenB]

I dont believe the Forbes angle, but why is it in the baptism records

Forbes isn't in the baptism records, it's the mother's maiden surname in virtually all the birth registrations.

[heywood]

Mary would be under age on her marriage, perhaps she lied.

The certificate would be useful.

[Seelife]

OK, I see what Osprey and Jenb are hinting at, I think. To me it then seems that we have two "marriages" for Martin. First with M Storey then a second with M Forbes. I agree that the later children have a mother maiden name Forbus/Forbes so it does seem that there was a second marrriage or partnership.

[Seelife]

This is crazy.  I see what Jenb means. Gro search has this.
Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
WINN, JOHN       FORBES  GRO Reference: 1865  S Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 303
WINN, WILLIAM       FORBES  GRO Reference: 1867  J Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 358
 
So there is only 1 child with a storey mother, Ann 1872 and that is AFTER the first two John and William. UNLESS it is as Jenb says and Ann is born 71....

 I officially own up to being confused.
I'm not sure how to resolve this marriage issue cos martins marriage record still point at Storey!! Also means the census dates are out, that I can believe....

[heywood]

The marriage certificate and the birth certificate of Ann would hopefully solve your issue.

[heywood]

Censuses
1871 Mary 25 yrs b Ferry Hill
1881 Mary 34 yrs b Ferry Hill
1891 Mary 44 yrs b Ferryhill
Death 1898 51 yrs

Have you looked for Mary Storey and Mary Forbes before 1871 with the same birth details?

[KGarrad]

If I look at Freebmd in a very open search of Winn and a wide date range :
Winn    Martin         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Hull    9d   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
The records on the same page to that of Martin Winn
Storey    Mary        Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Toward    Hannah         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Martin         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
Winn    Thomas         Durham    10a   404     Scan available - click to view
I dont find a mary Forbes in any reliable records.
Oh, and the image of Martin Winns marriage 1864 also shows the same Page and Vol 10a, 404
I dont believe the Forbes angle, but why is it in the baptism records unless this is an unrecorded "marriage".  Im trying to locate a death for mary-1 just incase there is a "spouse" change after...

Volume 10a simply refers to County Durham.
The Birth register has a page 404.
The Marriage register also has a page 404.

These do not refer to the same record!