"East Side" public house in Stirling 1861 census

[brooksburns]

I am trying to locate "10, East Side" in St Ninians, Stirling, which is on the 1861 census, reference 490 / 19 / 18.  I guess somewhere there exists a list of the streets surveyed in order, and by looking at that, seeing what comes before and after, it may help me pin it down?  But where might I access such a document?

By the way, as the occupant was a "publican", I suppose this may well itself have been a public house.  In 1871 he lived at "Public House St Ninians" - I haven't yet been able to confirm whether this was the same location. 

Thank you one and all for your wisdom.

BB

[Forfarian]

I guess somewhere there exists a list of the streets surveyed in order, and by looking at that, seeing what comes before and after, it may help me pin it down?  But where might I access such a document?

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

At the start of every census enumeration book there is a description of the enumeration district, which usually names all the streets included in the ED. IIRC you can view the ED description at no additional cost when you have looked at an original page in that ED.

To do so you click on the 'View headers' button.

See https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/census-returns#Description%20of%20ED

[hanes teulu]

Have you tried Scottish Directories?
https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse

I'm looking at the "Stirling Observer" (1839-1897) for an "East Side". Also, newspapers carried details of licence transfers when pubs changed hands. Can you provide the publican's name?
 

[Forfarian]

Unfortunately there are various census records where the enumerator has written 'east side' or 'south side' where this is not the formal or official name of the street. So 'east side' may indicate only that the premises were on the east side of, say, High Street or Main Street, not that there is a street actually named 'East Side'.

If you look at this map of St Ninians https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.3&lat=56.10278&lon=-3.93943&layers=5&b=1 you can see that the principal street, which is unnamed, runs roughly north-south, so it would be reasonable to suppose that this is what has happened in this case.

A later map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.2&lat=56.10204&lon=-3.93841&layers=168&b=1 shows the street name as Main Street. 

Bear in mind also that St Ninians is a separate parish from Stirling, and don't get sidetracked into looking at places in the parish of Stirling.

As hanes teulu says, it would make it much easier to help if we knew the name of the publican in question.

[Comberton]

Matthew McLaughlan 1815 St Ninians

www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1778266:1080?tid=&pid=&queryId=09718f5bac03df33b94fd8f9f246654c&_phsrc=pot36923&_phstart=successSource

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1861%2F0024606778

Not available on Familysearch

[Forfarian]

Hmmm.

I see that in 1871 Matthew had a 10-year-old daughter Jane and an 8-year-old daughter Helen. There are births of Jane McLachlan in 1860 and Helen McLauchlan in 1862, both with mother's maiden name Gibson, in Stirlingshire. These appear to match the names in the 1861 census, in which Matthew has two stepsons surnamed Gibson.

Have you seen these birth certificates? What address(es) do they give for their parents?

[MonicaL]

BB, just for background. A description from 1858-61 for St Ninians:

OS1/32/27/83    St Ninians

The parish village. The houses are partly one & partly two Storey, generally old & a great number thatched & in bad repair. There are two tan worKs & a foundry, the latter disused. The principal trade is nail maKing. There are two inns, three public houses, Several grocer & other shops, a P. [Post] Office & a Police Station.

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/stirlingshire-os-name-books-1858-61/stirlingshire-volume-27?display=transcription

Monica

[MonicaL]

PO Directory for 1868-9 includes a listing for Publicans which shows Matthew McLaughlan https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85600214 No additional details on him though.

From the previous description of St Ninian above, you can see the names of the two Inns in this listing. The Public Houses are unnamed (likely where the publicans lived at the time?).

I haven't been able to see an entry in these years for Matthew on the Valuation Rolls on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Monica

[hanes teulu]

Have found references to "East Side St Ninian's Village".
I can't see the original Census sheet but wanted to check "No 10". Is this in the "Road/Street" column (col no 2) or in the "No. of Schedule" column (col 1). Col 1 is is often confused as House No.

Note - basing this on the England/Wales format of the form, never having seen a Scottish Census sheet.